Re: [Zen] Why Practice Chan?

Thu, 23 Jun 2011 02:01:28 -0700 

That's right!  Instant heritage!  ...Bill!

--- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote:
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> Bill,
>  
> No wonder the Koreans are applying to the UN for the dragon boat race to be 
> attributed to Korea as their cultural heritage. They can find enough people 
> in Korea to incorporate the practice into their 'heritage'.
>  
> Anthony
> 
> --- On Thu, 23/6/11, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote:
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> From: Bill! <BillSmart@...>
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Why Practice Chan?
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Thursday, 23 June, 2011, 9:40 AM
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> Anthony,
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> You are partially correct.
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> As a follower of Buddha you can incorporate anything you want into what you 
> call 'Buddhism'. If enough other people also incorporate the new practice it 
> will eventually become an integral part of Buddhism, and no doubt there will 
> be some who will find passges in the sutras that support the new practice. 
> And soon we will see quotes attributed to Siddartha himself instructing the 
> practice.
> 
> ...Bill!
> 
> --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@> wrote:
> >
> > Bill,
> >  
> > You say, 'Buddhism was not created or defined by Siddartha Buddha. It was 
> > created and defined by his followers.'
> >  
> > I am a Buddhist follower, so I can integrate orgyhouse performance into 
> > buddhism. That will enhance Tantrist Buddhism's sex rituals.
> >  
> > Anthony
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Wed, 22/6/11, Bill! <BillSmart@> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: Bill! <BillSmart@>
> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Why Practice Chan?
> > To: [email protected]
> > Date: Wednesday, 22 June, 2011, 8:35 AM
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> > 
> >   
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> > 
> > Anthony,
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> > I'd go even further with your statement below that "...most mahayana 
> > literature was compiled hundreds of years after Buddha's demise. That does 
> > not mean the articles do not conform to Buddhism."
> > 
> > These writing ARE Buddhism. These writings and others like them are what 
> > CREATED and now DEFINES Buddhism.
> > 
> > Buddhism was not created or defined by Siddartha Buddha. It was created and 
> > defined by his followers.
> > 
> > ...Bill!
> > 
> > --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@> wrote:
> > >
> > > We have to follow 'reasonable speculation'. There is a concensus among 
> > > Buddhist scholars that says most mahayana literature was compiled 
> > > hundreds of years after Buddha's demise. That does not mean the articles 
> > > do not conform to Buddhism. Some of them are excellent presentations. As 
> > > regards Diamond Sutra's insistence that the Buddha claims he did not 
> > > utter a word, it means something profound. However, we should use it with 
> > > care. The other theory is mahayana inference that nivarna is not 
> > > different from samsara. That also has a profound meaning.
> > >  
> > > Over the past hundreds of years, the media has started to record events, 
> > > which makes us believe they did happen. But how about a few thousands 
> > > years ago? Do you deny the existence of alexander the Great, Jesus, 
> > > Aristotle, Confucious etc?
> > >  
> > > Anthony
> > > 
> > > --- On Tue, 21/6/11, Guy <anatmansurf@> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: Guy <anatmansurf@>
> > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Why Practice Chan?
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Date: Tuesday, 21 June, 2011, 12:33 PM
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
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> > > OK, you think that or you know that?
> > > 
> > > It's speculation. Unless you were there you could never know what the man 
> > > said.
> > > 
> > > Guy
> > > --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > JM,
> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > Buddha never denied he ever said a word. It is the author of the 
> > > > Diamond Sutra, who was born 1,000 years after Buddha's demise, that 
> > > > says that. 
> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > Please also regard what I just said as no value.
> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > Anthony
> > > > 
> > > > --- On Tue, 21/6/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 
> > > > ÃÆ'¨Â¦ÂºÃÆ'¥Â¦â„¢ÃÆ'§Â²Â¾ÃÆ'¦ËÅ"Ž
> > > >  <chan.jmjm@> wrote:
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> > > > 
> > > > From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 
> > > > ÃÆ'¨Â¦ÂºÃÆ'¥Â¦â„¢ÃÆ'§Â²Â¾ÃÆ'¦ËÅ"Ž
> > > >  <chan.jmjm@>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Why Practice Chan?
> > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > Date: Tuesday, 21 June, 2011, 7:43 AM
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ÃÆ'‚  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hi Anthony,
> > > > 
> > > > Every word I posted is form.ÃÆ'‚  There is no value in 
> > > > them.ÃÆ'‚  Don't take them too 
> > > > seriously.ÃÆ'‚  
> > > > 
> > > > Especially those from Buddha, because he denied that he ever said a 
> > > > word.
> > > > 
> > > > Okay?
> > > > 
> > > > Talk to you next week...
> > > > Learn the Basics of Chan Meditation...
> > > > http://www.chan-meditation.org
> > > > Chan in everyday life...
> > > > http://www.chanliving.org
> > > > To be enlightened in this life...
> > > > http://www.heartchan.org
> > > > To save our world...
> > > > http://www.universal-oneness.org
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> > > > On 6/20/2011 3:57 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: 
> > > > ÃÆ'‚  
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> > > > JM,
> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > Thank you for your post. It is interesting. I have no doubt that Heart 
> > > > Chan is a good practice that gives you happiness and good health. 
> > > > However, some of the ideology is away from Buddhism. For instance, the 
> > > > following from the posted article:
> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > spirits are eternal
> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > Buddhism says nothing is eternal. When our lives end and we reincarnate 
> > > > into a different entities, it is the everchanging 5 skandhas of ours 
> > > > that are on the journey. They are not the same 'spirits'.
> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > It is an absolute practice liberating our spirit, terminating our 
> > > > reincarnation, and living in Buddha's bright lights forever.
> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > Buddha teaches us there is no 'self'. Than who is going to live in 
> > > > Buddhs's bright lights forever?
> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > Please note I am not trying to stop you practicing heart Chan. If you 
> > > > benefit really and are happy, why not continue? I just want to point 
> > > > out the 'points of deviation', while not attempting to say, 'this is 
> > > > the only truth, while the rest are neither false or subordinate to the 
> > > > truth.
> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > I hope to see more of your posts. Thank you for your kindheartedness.
> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > Anthony
> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- On Tue, 21/6/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 
> > > > ÃÆ'¨Â¦ÂºÃÆ'¥Â¦â„¢ÃÆ'§Â²Â¾ÃÆ'¦ËÅ"Ž
> > > >  <chan.jmjm@> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 
> > > > ÃÆ'¨Â¦ÂºÃÆ'¥Â¦â„¢ÃÆ'§Â²Â¾ÃÆ'¦ËÅ"Ž
> > > >  <chan.jmjm@>
> > > > Subject: [Zen] Why Practice Chan?
> > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > Date: Tuesday, 21 June, 2011, 2:13 AM
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> > > > Dear Friend,
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> > > > Below is a talk from our enlightened Chan Master Wu Jue Miao Tian for 
> > > > your reference.
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> > > > Why Practice Chan?
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> > > > The purpose of practicing Chan is to establish a place for our life 
> > > > after death.
> > > > Why practice Chan?ÃÆ'‚  What is its purpose? From a 
> > > > religious point of view, whether it is Protestant, Catholicism, 
> > > > Buddhism or Islam, the common emphasis is to ferry our 
> > > > spirit.ÃÆ'‚  Jesus said that "Believe in me, you shall 
> > > > live forever!" Buddhism teaches the attainment of Buddhahood. How do we 
> > > > obtain everlasting life and land in heaven? Practicing Chan is the 
> > > > answer.
> > > > Through out our life, most of us seek fame, fortune, political power, 
> > > > etc.ÃÆ'‚  Can we keep them after our death? What we 
> > > > really need to seek is a place for our afterlife.ÃÆ'‚  
> > > > This way, we will not panic when our time comes to an 
> > > > end.ÃÆ'‚  This is the real purpose of practicing 
> > > > Chan.ÃÆ'‚  Though we probably don't know where we were 
> > > > from, we should at least be clear about where we will be 
> > > > going.ÃÆ'‚  At the least, we should have some control of 
> > > > our destiny.ÃÆ'‚  In Buddhism, the end game is 
> > > > enlightenment.
> > > > Surpass our physical lives and terminate reincarnation
> > > > When we are alive, through our senses, we could be pretty sure that we 
> > > > are living in a material world.ÃÆ'‚  However, this is 
> > > > not the world of our spirit.ÃÆ'‚  When our lives come to 
> > > > an end, where will our spirit be going? What do we know about the 
> > > > spiritual world?
> > > > According to Buddhism, there are ten spiritual 
> > > > realms.ÃÆ'‚  From top down, they are Buddha, 
> > > > Bodhisattva, Sravaka, Pratyeka, Deity, human, Asura, Animal, Hungry 
> > > > Ghost and Hell.ÃÆ'‚  The realms below "human" contains 
> > > > mostly sufferings and disasters.ÃÆ'‚  The lower the 
> > > > realm, the worse the conditions are.ÃÆ'‚  The only way 
> > > > for us not to be in these realms is to practice Chan, purifying the 
> > > > karma from our previous lives, so that our spirit could be elevated to 
> > > > a higher realm.ÃÆ'‚  Perhaps even possible to be landed 
> > > > in the realm of Buddha or Bodhisattva, if we practice Chan with 
> > > > dedication.
> > > > In other words, spirits are eternal. When our body die, our spirit will 
> > > > journey to a spiritual realm corresponding to the merits or karma 
> > > > accumulated throughout our lives.ÃÆ'‚  Therefore, when 
> > > > we die, it is not the end.ÃÆ'‚  It is just another 
> > > > beginning.ÃÆ'‚  This is the "judgment" as labeled by 
> > > > Christians and the "reincarnation" by Buddhist.
> > > > On the other hand, practicing Chan enhances our spiritual 
> > > > purity.ÃÆ'‚  If majority of the people has purer 
> > > > spiritual quality, the society would be in general more peaceful and 
> > > > harmonious.ÃÆ'‚  For the first fifty years in Taiwan, 
> > > > though we had little material wealth, but we were generally happy and 
> > > > content. Different from nowadays, our society is filled with murder, 
> > > > violence, incest, etc. These are indications of being in those realms 
> > > > below "human".ÃÆ'‚  It is urgent for us to practice Chan 
> > > > as soon as possible.ÃÆ'‚  Otherwise, there will be more 
> > > > natural disasters and man-made miseries. If war ever breaks out, we 
> > > > will be in the realm of hungry ghost and hell.
> > > > Liberate our spirit into everlasting joy
> > > > Simply, the purpose of the Chan practice is to be enlightened in this 
> > > > life.ÃÆ'‚  Some people may have difficulty in believing 
> > > > that.ÃÆ'‚  Such disbelief is usually resulted from 
> > > > thinking or analyzing with our physical human 
> > > > brain.ÃÆ'‚  Shakyamuni is as much a human as any of 
> > > > us.ÃÆ'‚  After six years of searching as an ascetic and 
> > > > six years of meditation under a Bodhi tree.ÃÆ'‚  
> > > > Shakyamuni liberated his spirit from his body and his consciousness, 
> > > > and ultimately attained Buddhahood.ÃÆ'‚  Exemplified by 
> > > > his journey, he taught everyone of us, that we all could be enlightened 
> > > > also.ÃÆ'‚  We all possess Buddha 
> > > > nature.ÃÆ'‚  Just have to practice the authentic lineage 
> > > > Chan.
> > > > What is an authentic lineage practice?ÃÆ'‚  It is an 
> > > > absolute practice liberating our spirit, terminating our reincarnation, 
> > > > and living in Buddha's bright lights forever.ÃÆ'‚  It is 
> > > > a practice enabling us to surpass the three realms of "Desire, Form and 
> > > > Formlessness". Desire is the hindrance of our consciousness. Form is 
> > > > the hindrance of our physical body.ÃÆ'‚  Formlessness is 
> > > > the hindrance of our karma hidden in our 
> > > > subconsciousness.ÃÆ'‚  Therefore the practice of Chan 
> > > > is, through the purification of authentic lineage dharma, cleans the 
> > > > hindrances of our consciousness, our physical body and the karma of our 
> > > > previous lives, and entering into a journey of purity, which means a 
> > > > path without hindrances to Buddhaland.ÃÆ'‚  So that upon 
> > > > our death, we would not panic.ÃÆ'‚  We would be certain 
> > > > that we would be on our way there.
> > > > Each of us has approximately one hundred years to 
> > > > live.ÃÆ'‚  How many years do you have 
> > > > left?ÃÆ'‚  We must quickly learn to practice Chan, 
> > > > through which to improve our health, de-stress our mind, and broaden 
> > > > our focus from material world to the spiritual 
> > > > world.ÃÆ'‚  Turn our knowledge into wisdom. Transform 
> > > > our transient self to be everlasting. Awaken from delusions to the 
> > > > "final truth".ÃÆ'‚  This is only way to liberate our 
> > > > spirit.Otherwise, we will continue to be reincarnated and float through 
> > > > various spiritual realms without end.ÃÆ'‚  Be reminded 
> > > > that our entire life span, from beginning to end, is nothing but 
> > > > emptiness. The only possible meaningful accomplishment is a spiritual 
> > > > one.ÃÆ'‚  If you understand this truth and dedicate 
> > > > yourself to be enlightened in this life, not only you shall receive 
> > > > everlasting bliss, you shall be able to help more people,
>  just like what Buddha and Jesus did.
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> > > > Heart Chan is the teaching of Grand Chan Master Wu Jue Miao 
> > > > Tian.ÃÆ'‚  He is the 85th patriarch since Shakyamuni, 
> > > > 58th patriarch since Bodhidarma and 48th patriarch of Linji School.
> > > > He teaches that we all could be enlightened in this life.
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> > > > The Four Practices To Enlightenment
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> > > > Purity
> > > > Detox our body, our mind and our spirit.
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> > > > Wisdom
> > > > Detach from all forms. In Sync with the Heart of Buddha.
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> > > > Fulfillment
> > > > Fulfill every encounter without question or expectation.
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> > > > Enlightenment
> > > > True Nature Connects With Buddha.
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