Intrusion? This is no intrusion. This is life: as-is - Just THIS! ..Bill!
--- In [email protected], Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦ç²¾æ <chan.jmjm@...> wrote: > > A bow to Bill. Please accept my intrusion.... :-) > > Learn the Basics of Chan Meditation... > http://www.chan-meditation.org > Chan in everyday life... > http://www.chanliving.org > To be enlightened in this life... > http://www.heartchan.org > To save our world... > http://www.universal-oneness.org > > > > On 6/21/2011 5:39 PM, Bill! wrote: > > > > JMJM, > > > > I can live with 'as-is'! In fact I like it! > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, > > Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦â¢Ã§Â²Â¾Ã¦ËŽ <chan.jmjm@> wrote: > > > > > > ED, > > > > > > Well, these are important questions. Thank you for giving me the > > > opportunity to share. > > > > > > * Value is a judgment call belonging to our mind. In other words > > > value is in a dualistic domain. > > > * Diamond sutra asked us to surpass the FOUR Notions from our > > > mind/consciousness. The first is SELF. SELF, or ego, or I, or my > > > thoughts, or my judgment, or my position, or my experience, or my > > > education, or my golden rule, or my believe, are all like "an hour > > > or an inch" (Alan Watts). > > > * After surpassing the Four Notions, the "spirit/essence/heart/self > > > nature/buddha nature/Just This/awakening" > > > "unfold/occur/appear/surface/in sync/connect". > > > > > > Buddha did not want his student to be attached to his words, that' why > > > he said that I said no dharma. Because awakening got to come from > > > within. Words are mere triggers depending on the > > > opportunity/context/emotions. > > > The more we think about the right/wrong, agree/disagree, sense/no > > sense, > > > or just what does it mean, we function deeper into our conscious mind > > > and become more difficult to awaken. > > > > > > Heart Sutra is a good place to start. It simply said, first surpass our > > > five senses, then our sixth sense, which is the consciousness, our > > > seventh consciousness, then our eighth consciousness. We are awakened > > > when we surpasses all eight consciousness. Then we witness pure > > birghtness. > > > > > > Through the practice of Heart Chan, that's our witness -- pure light -- > > > purest form of energy -- pure chi. (Light could be difficult for > > > beginners. That's why we use chi instead) That's where we were all > > > from. Scientists call that Big Bang. > > > > > > When we awaken from our delusional self, we will come to realize, that > > > nothing has "value". Everything is propagated by cause and effect. > > > Everything is relative, interdependent, co-exist, transient and > > impermanent. > > > > > > That's why Bill labeled his awakening with his term "Just This". To me, > > > "Just this" is still too romantic, I call it "as is" with small cap. > > > Hahaha. > > > > > > For your reference. > > > > > > Learn the Basics of Chan Meditation... > > > http://www.chan-meditation.org > > > Chan in everyday life... > > > http://www.chanliving.org > > > To be enlightened in this life... > > > http://www.heartchan.org > > > To save our world... > > > http://www.universal-oneness.org > > > > > > On 6/21/2011 6:10 AM, ED wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JMJM, > > > > > > > > What 'spirit'? What 'conscious mind'? What does have value? These are > > > > assumptions and beliefs. > > > > > > > > --ED > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected] > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > Jue Miao Jing Ming wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Anthony, All words are just tools to wake up the spirit inside. 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