Siska, Like I said, the phrase 'he got what he deserved' is indeed usually used in a negative way, but the word 'deserve' itself carries neither a negative or positive connotation.
An example would be saying someone was 'very deserving' of an award. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], siska_cen@... wrote: > > Bill, > > It was a buddhist monk. I think he's british. It's probably the general > perception there. > > Siska > -----Original Message----- > From: "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 02:18:34 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > Siska, > > I don't know what who told you that 'deserve' implies punishment, but they > are wrong. Depending on what you do you may 'deserve' punishment, or you may > 'deserve' a reward. > > It is true the saying '...get what we deserve' usually implies punishment > because it is usually used in negative circumstances; but it does simply mean > what you originally thought, 'we reap what we sow'. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], siska_cen@ wrote: > > > > Bill, > > > > English being my second language, sometimes I'm not aware of connotation > > implied in the words. It reminds me of once when I said, "I believe we all > > get what we deserve". To me, it simply means we reap what we sow, be it > > good or bad. But I was corrected because 'deserve' implies punishment, of > > which I wasn't aware. > > > > This is a good reminder. Thank you. > > > > Siska > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Bill!" <BillSmart@> > > Sender: [email protected] > > Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 08:16:51 > > To: <[email protected]> > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > Subject: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > > Anthony, Mike and Siska, > > > > Well you all used or continued to repeat the word 'condemn' which implies > > it's a bad thing. You didn't say your were 'rewarded' with the life of a > > fox... > > > > But I of all people know how tricky the English language can be when > > talking about these types of things, so I'll take your word for it. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], siska_cen@ wrote: > > > > > > Bill, I never said it is a bad (or good) thing. I don't think Mike did > > > either ;-) > > > > > > Siska > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: "Bill!" <BillSmart@> > > > Sender: [email protected] > > > Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 04:22:41 > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > > > > ...and what's so bad about living as a fox for 500 years? > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], siska_cen@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > > > > > Ah, got your point. > > > > > > > > > there is no self, yet.. > > > > There is no self, no yet ;-) > > > > > > > > Siska > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: mike brown <uerusuboyo@> > > > > Sender: [email protected] > > > > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 07:28:05 > > > > To: [email protected]<[email protected]> > > > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > > > > > > Hi Siska, > > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > Oh, I see. I thought you were asking if saying, "There is and isn't a > > > > diifference" condemns you to 500 years as a fox. Really, it's just a > > > > question of neither being absolute nor subjective. For example, there > > > > is no self, yet... > > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > Mike > > > > > > > > From: "siska_cen@" <siska_cen@> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 6 September 2011, 11:28 > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > Hi Mike, > > > > > > > > Don't really get it, if what were true? > > > > > > > > Siska > > > > From: mike brown <uerusuboyo@> > > > > Sender: [email protected] > > > > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 03:17:07 +0100 (BST) > > > > To: [email protected]<[email protected]> > > > > ReplyTo: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > Hi Siska, > > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > If that were true, then what wouldn't condemn you to 500 years as a fox? > > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > Mike > > > > > > > > From: "siska_cen@" <siska_cen@> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011, 18:48 > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > Hi Mike, > > > > > > > > > In other words, there is and there isn't a difference. > > > > > > > > I like this. > > > > > > > > Would statements implying there is or isn't a difference condemn you to > > > > 500 years as a fox too? :-) > > > > > > > > Siska > > > > From: mike brown <uerusuboyo@> > > > > Sender: [email protected] > > > > Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 11:17:44 +0100 (BST) > > > > To: [email protected]<[email protected]> > > > > ReplyTo: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > > > > > > > > > >In truth, Two and One are in support of one another. > > > > > > > > >>Here it seems that Rev Harvey makes distinction between Two and One. > > > > >>Are they really different at all? > > > > > > > > Siska, > > > > > > > > JustÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàas Bill! is condemed to live 500 years as a fox > > > > for saying that an enlightened person isn't subject to karma (just > > > > asÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàhe would beÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàif he > > > > saidÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâàthatÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàan enlightened person > > > > is subject to karma), soÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàwith this question. There > > > > is no yes or no. In other words, there is and there isn't a difference. > > > > > > > > MikeÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâàÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
