Bill; Do Americans really think that everywhere they go is their land?. Do you mean as invasive way lacking in respect towards other Countries people and cultures?. If that is what you mean it sounds pretty bad. The American people I met face to face here in Europe, they were all a bit crazy each of them in their own crazy thing mental affairs, but really friendly and good laugh. And definetely if they could help in something they did it with no hesitation. As if helping was something natural in them. I may have been lucky and just met the best from America!. Mayka --- On Sun, 11/9/11, Bill! <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Bill! <[email protected]> Subject: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, 11 September, 2011, 3:11 Mayka, You said that the English tend "...to be very friendly only when they're not in their own land or also when they want something from you." Americans are the same except they think that EVERYWHERE is 'their land' (or soon will be), and they ALWAYS want something from you - your sincere thanks and continual praise for all the unselfish help they've given you. ;>) ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> wrote: > > Billl: > If someone from the all over the world students studying in England hear you > about this "friendly people" may give you a good slap in the face to help see > reality in England. American people are very helpful and friendly, that is > a true statement. But, THE ENGLISH LIVING IN ENGLAND?.  I don't think > so!!. A high percentage of English people met,  they tended to be very > friendly only when they're not in their own land or also when they want > something from you. . > Mayka > >  >  >  > --- On Fri, 9/9/11, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > Subject: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, 9 September, 2011, 3:13 > > >  > > > > As a native English-speaker that speaks a few other languages (badly) I can > tell you I believe English-speakers are VERY flexible when listening to > others speak English or any other language. I think that is because we are > used to hearing many different kinds of English: British (which itself has > many dialects), USA (which has many dialects), Australians, New Zealanders > and South Africans; and English spoken non-native English-speakers such as > the Irish, Scots, Welsh and India; and the rest of the world that have > learned English to some extent or the other. > > I live in Thailand and speak Thai - somewhat. Some Thai's can understand my > Thai fairly well, and some can't understand a word I say. Of course Thai is a > tonal language where one syllable can have 5 different tones which changes > the meaning, but some Thai's are more rigid about this than others, and I > don't mean rigid in that they don't like the way I speak, but rigid in that > they just can't understand what I'm saying unless I'm using EXACTLY the right > tonation. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], siska_cen@ wrote: > > > > Hi Mayka, > > > > > I didn't say you have a problem of mis-interpretation. > > > > I wasn't saying that you did either ;-) > > > > I was sharing my feeling that english speaking people are generally better > > in understanding 'broken' english than myself, who find it a little hard to > > understand 'broken' indonesian. > > > > Siska > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Maria Lopez <flordeloto@> > > Sender: [email protected] > > Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 14:57:12 > > To: <[email protected]> > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > > Siska: > > I didn't say you have a problem of mis-interpretation. I said that as > > people who first language is not English we may make use of expressions or > > even funny grammar...(at the very least, I do at times) and as a result > > there is a misinterpretation etc. However, there are also > > misinterpretations or misunderstandings at times in one owns language > > communicated through internet, anyway. > > Mayka > > > > --- On Thu, 8/9/11, siska_cen@ <siska_cen@> wrote: > > > > > > From: siska_cen@ <siska_cen@> > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Thursday, 8 September, 2011, 12:06 > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Hello Mayka, > > > > I don't really have mis-interpretation problem. I find that english > > speaking people I've met have very good sense in guessing whatever we meant > > with our limited english. Unlike myself. > > > > Where I used to work, there were expatriates. When they speak our language, > > broken, I found it really hard to guess correctly what they were trying to > > say. > > > > Siska > > > > > > From: Maria Lopez <flordeloto@> > > Sender: [email protected] > > Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 08:19:53 +0100 (BST) > > To: <[email protected]> > > ReplyTo: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Siska! > > I was unaware of English not been your first language. We're in the > > same boat here. It also happens to me to express things that native > > English speakers interpretation differs from what I meant to > > communicate. > > Mayka > > > > --- On Wed, 7/9/11, siska_cen@ <siska_cen@> wrote: > > > > > > From: siska_cen@ <siska_cen@> > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Wednesday, 7 September, 2011, 12:14 > > > > > >  > > > > Bill, > > > > English being my second language, sometimes I'm not aware of connotation > > implied in the words. It reminds me of once when I said, "I believe we all > > get what we deserve". To me, it simply means we reap what we sow, be it > > good or bad. But I was corrected because 'deserve' implies punishment, of > > which I wasn't aware. > > > > This is a good reminder. Thank you. > > > > Siska > > > > > > From: "Bill!" <BillSmart@> > > Sender: [email protected] > > Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 08:16:51 -0000 > > To: <[email protected]> > > ReplyTo: [email protected] > > Subject: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > >  > > > > Anthony, Mike and Siska, > > > > Well you all used or continued to repeat the word 'condemn' which implies > > it's a bad thing. You didn't say your were 'rewarded' with the life of a > > fox... > > > > But I of all people know how tricky the English language can be when > > talking about these types of things, so I'll take your word for it. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], siska_cen@ wrote: > > > > > > Bill, I never said it is a bad (or good) thing. I don't think Mike did > > > either ;-) > > > > > > Siska > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: "Bill!" <BillSmart@> > > > Sender: [email protected] > > > Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 04:22:41 > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > > > > ...and what's so bad about living as a fox for 500 years? > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], siska_cen@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > > > > > Ah, got your point. > > > > > > > > > there is no self, yet.. > > > > There is no self, no yet ;-) > > > > > > > > Siska > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: mike brown <uerusuboyo@> > > > > Sender: [email protected] > > > > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 07:28:05 > > > > To: [email protected]<[email protected]> > > > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > > > > > > Hi Siska, > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Oh, I see. I thought you were asking if saying, "There is and isn't a > > > > diifference" condemns you to 500 years as a fox. Really, it's just a > > > > question of neither being absolute nor subjective. For example, there > > > > is no self, yet... > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > From: "siska_cen@" <siska_cen@> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 6 September 2011, 11:28 > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > > > > > Don't really get it, if what were true? > > > > > > > > Siska > > > > From: mike brown <uerusuboyo@> > > > > Sender: [email protected] > > > > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 03:17:07 +0100 (BST) > > > > To: [email protected]<[email protected]> > > > > ReplyTo: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Hi Siska, > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > If that were true, then what wouldn't condemn you to 500 years as a fox? > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > From: "siska_cen@" <siska_cen@> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011, 18:48 > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > > > > > > In other words, there is and there isn't a difference. > > > > > > > > I like this. > > > > > > > > Would statements implying there is or isn't a difference condemn you to > > > > 500 years as a fox too? :-) > > > > > > > > Siska > > > > From: mike brown <uerusuboyo@> > > > > Sender: [email protected] > > > > Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 11:17:44 +0100 (BST) > > > > To: [email protected]<[email protected]> > > > > ReplyTo: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > >In truth, Two and One are in support of one another. > > > > > > > > >>Here it seems that Rev Harvey makes distinction between Two and One. > > > > >>Are they really different at all? > > > > > > > > Siska, > > > > > > > > JustÃÆ'‚ as Bill! is condemed to live 500 years as a fox > > > > for saying that an enlightened person isn't subject to karma (just > > > > asÃÆ'‚ he would beÃÆ'‚ if he > > > > saidÃÆ'‚ thatÃÆ'‚ an enlightened person > > > > is subject to karma), soÃÆ'‚ with this question. There > > > > is no yes or no. In other words, there is and there isn't a difference. > > > > > > > > MikeÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > >
