--- On Sun, 11/9/11, Bill! <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Bill! <[email protected]> Subject: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, 11 September, 2011, 11:28 Mayka, I was half-jesting, but only half. Most Americans don't think much at all about other countries. Most Americans couldn't find them on a map. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> wrote: > > Bill; > Do Americans really think that everywhere they go is their land?.  Do you > mean as invasive way lacking in respect towards other Countries people and > cultures?. If that is what you mean it sounds pretty bad. The American > people I met face to face here in Europe,  they were all a bit crazy each > of them in their own crazy thing mental affairs, but really friendly and > good laugh. And definetely if they could help in something they did it with > no hesitation.  As if helping was something natural in them.  I may have > been lucky and  just met the best from America!. > Mayka >  >  >  > --- On Sun, 11/9/11, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > Subject: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > To: [email protected] > Date: Sunday, 11 September, 2011, 3:11 > > >  > > > > Mayka, > > You said that the English tend "...to be very friendly only when they're not > in their own land or also when they want something from you." > > Americans are the same except they think that EVERYWHERE is 'their land' (or > soon will be), and they ALWAYS want something from you - your sincere thanks > and continual praise for all the unselfish help they've given you. ;>) > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@> wrote: > > > > Billl: > > If someone from the all over the world students studying in England hear > > you about this "friendly people" may give you a good slap in the face to > > help see reality in England. American people are very helpful > > and friendly, that is a true statement. But, THE ENGLISH LIVING IN > > ENGLAND?.  I don't think so!!. A high percentage of English > > people met,  they tended to be very friendly only when they're not in > > their own land or also when they want something from you. . > > Mayka > > > >  > >  > >  > > --- On Fri, 9/9/11, Bill! <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@> > > Subject: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Friday, 9 September, 2011, 3:13 > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > As a native English-speaker that speaks a few other languages (badly) I can > > tell you I believe English-speakers are VERY flexible when listening to > > others speak English or any other language. I think that is because we are > > used to hearing many different kinds of English: British (which itself has > > many dialects), USA (which has many dialects), Australians, New Zealanders > > and South Africans; and English spoken non-native English-speakers such as > > the Irish, Scots, Welsh and India; and the rest of the world that have > > learned English to some extent or the other. > > > > I live in Thailand and speak Thai - somewhat. Some Thai's can understand my > > Thai fairly well, and some can't understand a word I say. Of course Thai is > > a tonal language where one syllable can have 5 different tones which > > changes the meaning, but some Thai's are more rigid about this than others, > > and I don't mean rigid in that they don't like the way I speak, but rigid > > in that they just can't understand what I'm saying unless I'm using EXACTLY > > the right tonation. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], siska_cen@ wrote: > > > > > > Hi Mayka, > > > > > > > I didn't say you have a problem of mis-interpretation. > > > > > > I wasn't saying that you did either ;-) > > > > > > I was sharing my feeling that english speaking people are generally > > > better in understanding 'broken' english than myself, who find it a > > > little hard to understand 'broken' indonesian. > > > > > > Siska > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Maria Lopez <flordeloto@> > > > Sender: [email protected] > > > Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 14:57:12 > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > > > > Siska: > > > I didn't say you have a problem of mis-interpretation. I said > > > that as people who first language is not English we may make use of > > > expressions or even funny grammar...(at the very least, I do at times) > > > and as a result there is a misinterpretation etc. However, > > > there are also misinterpretations or misunderstandings at > > > times in one owns language communicated through internet, > > > anyway. > > > Mayka > > > > > > --- On Thu, 8/9/11, siska_cen@ <siska_cen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: siska_cen@ <siska_cen@> > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > To: [email protected] > > > Date: Thursday, 8 September, 2011, 12:06 > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Mayka, > > > > > > I don't really have mis-interpretation problem. I find that english > > > speaking people I've met have very good sense in guessing whatever we > > > meant with our limited english. Unlike myself. > > > > > > Where I used to work, there were expatriates. When they speak our > > > language, broken, I found it really hard to guess correctly what they > > > were trying to say. > > > > > > Siska > > > > > > > > > From: Maria Lopez <flordeloto@> > > > Sender: [email protected] > > > Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 08:19:53 +0100 (BST) > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > ReplyTo: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Siska! > > > I was unaware of English not been your first language. We're in > > > the same boat here. It also happens to me to express things that > > > native English speakers interpretation differs from what I meant to > > > communicate. > > > Mayka > > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/9/11, siska_cen@ <siska_cen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: siska_cen@ <siska_cen@> > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > To: [email protected] > > > Date: Wednesday, 7 September, 2011, 12:14 > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > English being my second language, sometimes I'm not aware of connotation > > > implied in the words. It reminds me of once when I said, "I believe we > > > all get what we deserve". To me, it simply means we reap what we sow, be > > > it good or bad. But I was corrected because 'deserve' implies punishment, > > > of which I wasn't aware. > > > > > > This is a good reminder. Thank you. > > > > > > Siska > > > > > > > > > From: "Bill!" <BillSmart@> > > > Sender: [email protected] > > > Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 08:16:51 -0000 > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > ReplyTo: [email protected] > > > Subject: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > > > >  > > > > > > Anthony, Mike and Siska, > > > > > > Well you all used or continued to repeat the word 'condemn' which implies > > > it's a bad thing. You didn't say your were 'rewarded' with the life of a > > > fox... > > > > > > But I of all people know how tricky the English language can be when > > > talking about these types of things, so I'll take your word for it. > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], siska_cen@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Bill, I never said it is a bad (or good) thing. I don't think Mike did > > > > either ;-) > > > > > > > > Siska > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: "Bill!" <BillSmart@> > > > > Sender: [email protected] > > > > Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 04:22:41 > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > > > > > > ...and what's so bad about living as a fox for 500 years? > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], siska_cen@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > > > > > > > Ah, got your point. > > > > > > > > > > > there is no self, yet.. > > > > > There is no self, no yet ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Siska > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: mike brown <uerusuboyo@> > > > > > Sender: [email protected] > > > > > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 07:28:05 > > > > > To: [email protected]<[email protected]> > > > > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > > > > > > > > Hi Siska, > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > Oh, I see. I thought you were asking if saying, "There is and isn't a > > > > > diifference" condemns you to 500 years as a fox. Really, it's just a > > > > > question of neither being absolute nor subjective. For example, there > > > > > is no self, yet... > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > From: "siska_cen@" <siska_cen@> > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 6 September 2011, 11:28 > > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > > > > > > > Don't really get it, if what were true? > > > > > > > > > > Siska > > > > > From: mike brown <uerusuboyo@> > > > > > Sender: [email protected] > > > > > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 03:17:07 +0100 (BST) > > > > > To: [email protected]<[email protected]> > > > > > ReplyTo: [email protected] > > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > Hi Siska, > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > If that were true, then what wouldn't condemn you to 500 years as a > > > > > fox? > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > From: "siska_cen@" <siska_cen@> > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011, 18:48 > > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > > > > > > > > In other words, there is and there isn't a difference. > > > > > > > > > > I like this. > > > > > > > > > > Would statements implying there is or isn't a difference condemn you > > > > > to 500 years as a fox too? :-) > > > > > > > > > > Siska > > > > > From: mike brown <uerusuboyo@> > > > > > Sender: [email protected] > > > > > Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 11:17:44 +0100 (BST) > > > > > To: [email protected]<[email protected]> > > > > > ReplyTo: [email protected] > > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In truth, Two and One are in support of one another. > > > > > > > > > > >>Here it seems that Rev Harvey makes distinction between Two and > > > > > >>One. Are they really different at all? > > > > > > > > > > Siska, > > > > > > > > > > JustÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ as Bill! is condemed to > > > > > live 500 years as a fox for saying that an enlightened person isn't > > > > > subject to karma (just asÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ he > > > > > would beÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ if he > > > > > saidÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ thatÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ an > > > > > enlightened person is subject to karma), > > > > > soÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ with this question. There > > > > > is no yes or no. In other words, there is and there isn't a > > > > > difference. > > > > > > > > > > MikeÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
