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--- In [email protected], "salik888" <novelidea8@...> wrote: > > Greetings > > > This comes from Alan Watts's Houseboat Meetings, with Gary Snyder, Alan > Ginsberg, and Timothy Leary. > > Interesting in reference to the Sufism presented by Idries Shah at the time, > circa 1960's. If one revisits the work of Shah and Alan Watts, their are > parallels -- both are opening a discussion about the decay of Tradition and > the lost access of the esoteric . . . and in many ways, from a sociological > view . . . are addressing a first things first, a familiarization of the > individual with the real education of being and doing. > > I think both of them would agree that there is nothing wrong with going on > and on and on about God, a sort of Lord Lord Lord thing, as if something off > in the future was going to take place, when in essence there is nothing else > than the here and now, but often deluged by past recriminations and learned > behavior and incessant worry about the future . . . > > Watts and Snyder appear to me to be addressing the essential human element we > all share, and in my humble opinion Sufism and various Esoteric strains seek > to address . . . unification of mind, body and spirit instead of learning by > rote. > > In short we need to learn to perhaps grown something, I think Rumi and Saadi > would agree? > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > CEREBRAL "FREAK OUTS" > Snyder: No, they can't do what they've done through history. What is very > important here is, besides taking acid, is that people learn the techniques > which have been forgotten. That they learn new structures, and new > techniques. Like, you just can't go out and grow vegetables, man. You've got > to learn HOW to do it. Like we've gotta learn to do a lot of things we've > forgotten to do. > > Leary: I agree. > > Watts: That is very true, Gary. Our educational system, in its entirety, does > nothing to give us any kind of material competence. In other words, we don't > learn how to cook, how to make clothes, how to build houses, how to make > love, or to do any of the absolutely fundamental things of life. The whole > education that we get for our children in school is entirely in terms of > abstractions. It trains you to be an insurance salesman or a bureaucrat, or > some kind of cerebral character. > > Leary: Yes...it's exactly there that, I think, a clear-cut statement is > needed. The American educational system is a narcotic, addictive process... > > _________________________________ > > Best wishes > > Kirk > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
