Hi K， The challenge for any communication is due to its sequential
nature, while Chan needs to be communicated in 10,000 ways at the same
time. :-)
On 6/12/2012 8:55 AM, Kristopher Grey wrote:
Appreciate that jm, as I didn't express it very well - or perhaps
perfectly - as there was no intention/expectation - just the
expression. ;)
K
On 6/12/2012 11:49 AM, 覺妙精明 （JMJM） wrote:
I like it, K. Yes, indeed. At the "center / beneath" of it all,
just "ONE / ALL". However we care to label it. "Categorization /
filing / analyzing" are just different "perspectives / descriptions
/mental construct" of this "inseparable oneness / integrated
system"... jm
On 6/12/2012 8:33 AM, Kristopher Grey wrote:
Yes, pointing to this can get in the way of their whole Bodhisattva
dream.
I'd go as far to say compassion is a side effect/integral aspect of
awakening. I'd say the same of equanimity. All aspects of this
realization. In other words, it's not what someone thinks it is.
Compassion is not limited to some personal sense of caring for
others, or "do gooder" efforts, or altruism. These may arise in/as
compassionate awareness, or in delusional self-serving ways. The
altruism bit being perhaps the point that raises the most ire as
there is much confusion, much attachment to such "high" ideals. It
should be clear though that altruism has an agenda, it has goals. It
sees the world in terms of givers and takers, seeking to change this
for some specific reason (good intentions and all that business) -
which is not selfless beyond their imagination.
The short version. Caring arises for/in response to. Compassion
always with/as.
When Buddha/Dharma/Sangha are seen as one, this is realized as
Enlightenment/Equanimity/Compassion - aspects of
realization/awakening. Nothing changes, we simply realize
(continually) this has never not been so. Attaining nothing, thus
everything.
K
On 6/11/2012 10:02 PM, Joe wrote:
Hi, Kris,
I tell you, it's good to have this point of agreement. I cannot
tell you how it's surprised me at times when I made this point in
sangha discussions at several zendos over four decades, just in
passing, and have been jumped on by irate newcomers, or folks who
have done a lot of "reading". Teachers, whether male or female who
were doing the moderating, usually backed me up, but of course
tried also to keep the complainers in the fold. I'm glad no one has
jumped down my throat here yet on this point! If it happens, I'll
let it go, but will appreciate that there are at least two of us
here who see it this way. Really, as many as "two"? haha
We must urge others not to "fake it", though. Danger!
Practice, practice, practice!, instead.
(don't even THINK about compassion). ;-)
Strong practice,
--Joe
> Kris quoted Joe, and wrote:
>> (Another thing, sometimes noted: Compassion is not necessarily
>> something you FEEL, but it simply operates; and, to say the
least, it
>> is not always "sweetness-and-light").
> Indeed!
