Anthony,

IN LAY TERMS when a mafia member harms someone comforting the victim's family 
could be called compassion.  Helping the mafioso discover why he/she resorts to 
violence could be called compassion.

Answering your question could be called compassion.

...Bill!

--- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote:
>
> Joe,
>  
> I am talking about compassion in lay terms. I don't think it is automatic. 
> For example, when a mafia member kills, loots and rapes, where is the 
> compassion?
>  
> anthony
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Joe <desert_woodworker@...>
> To: [email protected] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2012, 21:00
> Subject: [Zen] Re: The Self Illusion
> 
> 
>   
> Anthony,
> 
> I think in fact that wisdom and compassion arise faster than ideas of good or 
> evil can arise. Compassion and wisdom are like lightning. They take no time 
> to come into being and to function.
> 
> So, compassion makes it to the finish-line before good or evil can even rear 
> its head. (And after compassion and wisdom arise, there are no ideas of good 
> and evil, either. Usually the mind is entirely empty or still, and you cannot 
> even force yourself to have a thought, for days, weeks, months, or years).
> 
> But this is "zen-" compassion, as you call it, and not any other kind, 
> "idiot-" or otherwise.
> 
> There is definitely wisdom and compassion. These are the ONLY functions of 
> the awakened sentient being. No matter what activity we carry out, wisdom and 
> compassion are behind them. Really, we can't separate the activity from 
> wisdom and compassion.
> 
> So we learn through practice, ...not to take anybody's word for it!
> 
> How about you, do you have pretty good practice opportunities and conditions? 
> It may not seem easy for us householders, but even if we were monastics, we'd 
> still have to practice.
> 
> --Joe
> 
> > Anthony Wu <wuasg@> wrote:
> 
> > You often here zen does not differerentiate between 'good' and 'evil'. Does 
> > that mean there is no compassion?
>




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