Anthony, When you sit shikantaza you just sit. There is no compassion. When you are daydreaming you are just daydreaming. Maybe you are daydreaming about compassion, maybe not. I don't know.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote: > > Joe, >  > Simple statements are good enough. Don't go beyond that. Bill just answered > me that when you sit shikantaza with clear mind there is no compassion. I > am waiting to hear him say what happens when you sit shikantaza daydreaming? >  > Anthony > > > ________________________________ > From: Joe <desert_woodworker@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2012, 8:20 > Subject: [Zen] Re: The Self Illusion > > >  > Anthony, I think, yes. It is the zen understanding, but we have little choice > in this: When it happens with us, we are impartial. > > We only "call" it as we see it, to use a Baseball Umpire's (Referee's) > expression. If we call it at all: but, here, in this Forum, we call it, > because we are talking. Talking, and using words. > > It has little to do with theravada, although it does not conflict with it. I > do not think that this understanding is just a "party- line", or a > conventional understanding, nor, even less, just a teaching tool, or a > statement or phraseology to bring practitioners into the fold. I would not > use the term if it was not my own understanding and realization. I am only a > zen practitioner, and work in no other Buddhist school. My teachers have all > been scrupulous and exacting. I hope I do not slight them > > Compassion is the behavior of a Buddha, an enlightened sentient being. > > When Shakyamuni came down the hill, after getting up from underneath the > Bodhi tree (beautiful leaves, by the way, I grow them at home in Arizona), > all his behavior was compassionate. Does anyone doubt this? > > If not, Anthony, please tell us the zen way to regard compassion. Or, the way > to suggest that compassion be expressed by zen practitioners. Does it not > arise spontaneously? Is it not just Wisdom by another name, excaept more > active? Do they "both" not arise simultaneously? > > I've made my simple statements; I will give full attention to yours. > > Regards, > > --Joe > > > It is easy to agree with you, especially from the perspective of theravada > > and mahayana. But is it the zen way? > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
