thank you jm
merle
Hi Merle,
A indicator to witness a true purification of body and mind is the
fact that we could be in the light in all moment of "empty
mindedness", in meditation or out of meditation. Another indicator
is the fact that all words, logic, experience no longer interest us,
nor bother us, nor felt the need to discriminate. All forms are
just forms.
This link is for your reference...
http://heartchan.org/en/home/item/66-heart-to-heart-transmission.html
JM
On 7/3/2012 12:56 AM, Merle Lester wrote:
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>years ago when i was 20..i had a golden light experience..
>. walking down a street in evening in city.
>.suddenly all glowed in a golden light
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> and much late at age 36
>..i had a nivana experience..i felt it .
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>.absolutely beautiful both experiences
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>what can one say?
> it just happened...
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> leaving no stone unturned
> i await
>listening to the wind
> speaking the language of realisation in the bamboo grove this evening
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> merle
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>On 7/1/2012 11:07 PM, Kristopher Grey wrote:
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>>The mention of Lao Tzu and Confucius brings to mind the ground upon
>>which Ch'an took root - and how this
has shaped the practices/teachings.
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>>To greatly over-simplify:
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>>Zen may appear at times inwardly
Taoist, outwardly Confucian. At other
>>times the reverse. Zen is unconcerned
with such appearances.
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>>By this, I am also pointing to the
nature of all such appearances
>>commonly discussed and debated (such
talk appearing to me to be more
>>about Zen Buddhism [or all forms of
Buddhism] - than Zen realization -
>>but this only appears so). Some
common/familiar themes emerge, some
>>apparent contrasts, others apparently
complimentary (a short set as
>>example, in no particular order):
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>>West/East
>>Chaos/Order
>>Samsara/Nirvana
>>Ordinary/Divine
>>Path/Attainment
>>Deluded/Realized
>>Householder/Monastic
>>Sudden/Gradual
>>Meditation/Sutras
>>Etc./Etc...
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>>The fodder of forums such as this.
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>>Ordinary mind sees separation between
these forms, and identifies with
>>them more/less, seeking to find it's
way - thus forming/borrowing a
>>''path'- or perhaps falling into the
void by mistaking "/" as the
>>'middle way' - mistaking forsaking for
equanimity (accepting 'no-self'
>>as rejection of form rather than
realizing empty nature of form).
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>>Buddha mind realizes all appearances
as suchness, as abiding... Thus
>>ordinary mind/Buddha mind are one.
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>>I do not claim to be a [Zen] Buddhist
, thus have no more than passing
>>interest in these (10,000) things -
and see them as no help or
>>hindrance. Merely points of
reflection, offering nothing less than
>>bewildering clarity revealed in all
it's murkiness.
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>>There is no point I'm trying to make,
no position I advance, nothing I
>>offer, no one I address this to.
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>>You know who you are. The path begins
and ends here.
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>>What would you intend otherwise? What
else would you expect?
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>>Questions not seeking answers.
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>>Pass the Sake.
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>>K
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