On Jul 9, 2012 7:43 PM, "Joe" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Chris, > > Thanks for the chance to consider. > > Well..., > > If it seems outside of the orthodoxy to *YOU*, then, yes, it is outside. You are what counts.
Let me rephrase my question: Is there orthodoxy, inside of which is the experience of ordinary reality and outside of which is delusion? the question falls apart in the face of the current moment. I ask it because your words seem to show a belief that Zen teachers do something other than sell water by the river, or that there is some right Zen and some other different stuff. Sorry if i am confused. > > And that is the rub, and what is so lamentable for all beings. > > It's what made Shakayamuni get up from his seat to teach, even after his awakening that morning. > > It's all a matter of how YOU experience it. A zen teacher will make sure that you know whereof you speak, before you speak (much). > > We all know that Alaska is cold in Winter, but unless you've been there... it's words in a Science book, not your own. > > --Joe > > > ChrisAustinLane <chris@...> wrote: > > > > Is there a thing that is outside of this orthodoxy? > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
