Have it your way, then.

Not disagreeing; we may be just emphasizing different things at different 
times, taking too much effort to emphasize, and not using enough effort to read.

Tell me, but only if you want, where you think we disagree in any of our wide 
discussion so far, because I really don't know.  Maybe pick just one thing, to 
start.  I do know that it is very, very helpful to express ideas clearly, 
especially in a print medium where replies may naturally take hours or days.

Clarity minimizes the chance of simple awkward misunderstanding.

And in the realm of discussion of topics related to Zen, clarity is especially 
important because of the differences between practice(s), experience(s), and 
the various levels of understanding and awareness we bring, even at different 
times, of what we call reality.

Then, there are the differences, too, between statements made by teachers -- 
which are meant as pedagogy -- and the expressions of practitioners, which are 
meant as reports.

Then also there are expressions made by philosophers and theologians, which are 
meant as syntheses and generalizations.

It can all be a vague business, if we are not clear.

And, even then... .  ;-)

So, I think, to say we already disagree is just gratuitous.  I don't think we 
disagree yet; I don't think we've earned the right.  That's the laziness 
talking.  ;-)

--Joe

> Chris Austin-Lane <chris@...> wrote:
>
> It reads to me as disagreement; your mileage may vary :-)




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