Without Buddhism, Zen is clearly silent.
Saying 'Zen' and saying 'Zen Buddhism' are just sayings. I understand
your distinction, but only those concerned with themselves and others,
as Buddhists or non-Buddhists, concern themselves so.
These are their divisions of the seedy shit, not mine. It is only
suggested the bird dropped more than one seed, so the sects could only
continue to debate which seed was best, and not doubt their source.
There are no seeds to be found, nothing to be seen sprouting from them,
and no great bird in the skies. Still, there are many great bird perches
standing silently throughout Japan (Torii), while the Buddhists squawk
about the lineage of long dead masters ...
K
On 7/23/2012 4:37 AM, Bill! wrote:
Kris,
All you say is okay but please clarify that when you say 'zen' you at
least mean 'Zen Buddhism'. 'zen' no sects. Only religious have sects.
Buddhism has sects, and one of those is Zen Buddhism. Zen Buddhism,
being a religion, also has sects, but 'zen' is not dependent upon (as
in being a sub-set of) any of these.
...Bill!
--- In [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>,
Kristopher Grey <kris@...> wrote:
>
> Ch'an, sprouts from Buddist seed planted in Taoist soil. It's fruit was
> eaten by a Shinto bird spirit, who's shit bore the the seeds to Japan
> that spouted the sects of Zen. ;)
>
> KG
>
>
> On 7/22/2012 9:32 PM, Bill! wrote:
> >
> > ED,
> >
> > My response below assumes by 'chan' and 'zen' you mean 'Chinese Chan
> > Buddhism' and 'Japanese Zen Buddhism'. Anyway, my response below is
> > limited to my knowledge of those...
> >
> > I only know of Chan from what I've read and the excellent information
> > JMJM has given us through his posts. From these I do think there is a
> > little difference between Chinese Chan Buddhism and Japanese Zen
> > Buddhism, but most of that I see are due to the different cultural
> > wrappings of each. There are many more parallels and similarities
than
> > differences. They are both from the school of Mahayana Buddhism. If I
> > were to grab any one difference to emphasize I would say Chan
Buddhism
> > is a little more mystical than Japanese Zen Buddhism but that's
about all.
> >
> > ...Bill!
> >
> > --- In [email protected]
<mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill and JM,
> > >
> > > Do either of you perceive any substantive difference between
chan and
> > > zen?
> > >
> > > --ED
> > >
> >
> >
>
