'Grace' - symbolized by the intersection of the cross. The non-point appearing to rest on the horizon between heaven and earth, where from both spring from... Just this...

There are Christian meditative practices... though not taught/practiced by the consumer Christians. Prayer, real prayer not asking for magic favors, it is a form of meditation. Like other meditation, some prayers have a focus, some do not. A completely open prayer - openess to what is/will be - simply being - is this not also 'shikantaza'?

Look past the differences, and there is only this.

KG


On 8/3/2012 6:24 AM, Bill! wrote:

Mike,

I would describe it as something similar to being filled with the Holy Spirit and giving yourself over COMPLETELY to God's will.

Bill! (not Joe or Bill)

--- In [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote:
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> Joe,
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> How would you describe shikantaza to someone from a religion such as Christianity?
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> Mike
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> ________________________________
> From: Joe <desert_woodworker@...>
> To: [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, 3 August 2012, 3:24
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Samadhi
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> Shikantaza is "just keeping empty". In the Zen sect.
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> I'll say no more!
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> --Joe
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> >
> >"ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote:
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> > Mike,
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> > Is shikantaza insight meditation, absorption meditation or both?
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