JMJM, You're correct. No joy or sadness. Just release.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], 覺å¦ç²¾æ ï¼JMJMï¼ <chan.jmjm@...> wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > Thank you for your sharing. Many of our practitioners experience this, > a kind with no joy no sadness. We labeled it as "home bound" or "found > home". > :-) > jm > > On 8/3/2012 6:11 PM, Bill! wrote: > > > > Mike and JMJM, > > > > I can tell you when I first experienced Buddha Nature (kensho) while > > working on the koan Mu I broke down and cried. I was sitting in the > > zendo with many others and started sobbing uncontrollably. Several of > > the attendant immediately assisted me and took me to another room > > where I could gather myself; and then I was quickly ushered into dokusan. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, > > mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > > > > > > JMJM, > > > > > > I could be wrong, but if your colleague broke down and cried after > > being filled with the Holy Ghost, then I think at some point his > > sitting stopped being shikantaza, if indeed it ever was. My > > understanding is that there would be equanimity, awarenessà and just > > simple observation of what was happening if it was shikantaza. I'm > > sure one of our more experienced members will clarify the matter for us. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: 覺å¦â¢Ã§Â²Â¾Ã¦ËŽ ï¼ËJMJMï¼Ⱐ<chan.jmjm@> > > > To: [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Cc: Bill! <BillSmart@> > > > Sent: Friday, 3 August 2012, 16:53 > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Samadhi > > > > > > > > > à > > > Yes,à That's exactly how one of our practitioner, John Ip, > > described his experience.à John is a devoted Christian for over 20 > > years.à Last month, he shared, instead of words words and words, > > after enhancing his physical state, the Holy Ghost comes into him and > > he broke down and cried. He practices in our Family Meditation program > > in our community library for about 5 months. Now he sits longer and > > longer everyday. > > > > > > I told him, "Holy Spirit is called Dharmakaya in Buddhism.à Same > > > energy, just different names.à And that is just the beginning." > > > > > > Many of our practitioners witnesses an "explosion" from their heart > > > chakra.à There were no fear. Our Teacher said, "when there is white > > > light from the Heart Chakra, then you have witness Buddha Nature."à > > > My sister-in-law witnesses white light every time she sits.à She > > > "knows" phenomena of previous generations of other practitioners and > > > helps them to "resolve" many karma. > > > > > > As to Mike's statement that he can recognize but can not express is > > > a perfect example that when we surpass our skandhas, or regular > > > senses, we reach a wider state of awareness, far beyond we can > > > describe by words, logic.à It is direct, instant and right. > > > > > > Some discussions in this forum mixing up the description for the two > > > states, one is limited and the other is wider, and initiated some > > > discussion.à Depending on the scope and sensitivity of our > > > awareness, the languages and dictionary are different.à Only when we > > > abandon our dictionary; experience; then could we witness the state > > > of being of others.à Discussion through words are very dangerous.à > > > Thus Chan is without words and transmitted in addition to teaching. > > > > > > When someday, whatever people say, we say "ah, yes." without > > > analyzing, debating, defense, then we are truly in each moment and > > > live in sync with the wisdom and life force of the universe. > > > > > > Good Day and Thank you for reading this. > > > _/\_ > > > JM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/3/2012 3:24 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > à > > > >Mike, > > > > > > > >I would describe it as something similar to being filled > > > with the Holy Spirit and giving yourself over COMPLETELY > > > to God's will. > > > > > > > >Bill! (not Joe or Bill) > > > > > > > >--- In [email protected] > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Joe, > > > >> > > > >> How would you describe shikantaza to someone from a > > > religion such as Christianity? > > > >> > > > >> Mike > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ________________________________ > > > >> From: Joe <desert_woodworker@> > > > >> To: [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> > > > >> Sent: Friday, 3 August 2012, 3:24 > > > >> Subject: Re: [Zen] Samadhi > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Ãâà > > > >> Shikantaza is "just keeping empty". In the Zen sect. > > > >> > > > >> I'll say no more! > > > >> > > > >> --Joe > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> >"ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > Mike, > > > >> > > > > >> > Is shikantaza insight meditation, absorption > > > meditation or both? > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
