Bill!, I remember prostrating myself on the kitchen floor in gratitude to the Zen Patriarchs after one particularly deep breakthru : ) Just seemed the right thing to do and there wasn't a seconds hesitation (Prostrating myself in front of people who have helped me is something I'm not usually over inclined to do).
Mike ________________________________ From: Bill! <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 4 August 2012, 2:11 Subject: Re: [Zen] Samadhi Mike and JMJM, I can tell you when I first experienced Buddha Nature (kensho) while working on the koan Mu I broke down and cried. I was sitting in the zendo with many others and started sobbing uncontrollably. Several of the attendant immediately assisted me and took me to another room where I could gather myself; and then I was quickly ushered into dokusan. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote: > > JMJM, > > I could be wrong, but if your colleague broke down and cried after being > filled with the Holy Ghost, then I think at some point his sitting stopped > being shikantaza, if indeed it ever was. My understanding is that there would > be equanimity, awareness and just simple observation of what was happening > if it was shikantaza. I'm sure one of our more experienced members will > clarify the matter for us. > > Mike > > > > ________________________________ > From: 覺妙精明 （JMJM） <chan.jmjm@...> > To: [email protected] > Cc: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > Sent: Friday, 3 August 2012, 16:53 > Subject: Re: [Zen] Samadhi > > >  > Yes, That's exactly how one of our practitioner, John Ip, described his > experience. John is a devoted Christian for over 20 years. Last month, he > shared, instead of words words and words, after enhancing his physical state, > the Holy Ghost comes into him and he broke down and cried. He practices in > our Family Meditation program in our community library for about 5 months. > Now he sits longer and longer everyday. > > I told him, "Holy Spirit is called Dharmakaya in Buddhism. Same > energy, just different names. And that is just the beginning." > > Many of our practitioners witnesses an "explosion" from their heart > chakra. There were no fear. Our Teacher said, "when there is white > light from the Heart Chakra, then you have witness Buddha Nature." > My sister-in-law witnesses white light every time she sits. She > "knows" phenomena of previous generations of other practitioners and > helps them to "resolve" many karma. > > As to Mike's statement that he can recognize but can not express is > a perfect example that when we surpass our skandhas, or regular > senses, we reach a wider state of awareness, far beyond we can > describe by words, logic. It is direct, instant and right. > > Some discussions in this forum mixing up the description for the two > states, one is limited and the other is wider, and initiated some > discussion. Depending on the scope and sensitivity of our > awareness, the languages and dictionary are different. Only when we > abandon our dictionary; experience; then could we witness the state > of being of others. Discussion through words are very dangerous. > Thus Chan is without words and transmitted in addition to teaching. > > When someday, whatever people say, we say "ah, yes." without > analyzing, debating, defense, then we are truly in each moment and > live in sync with the wisdom and life force of the universe. > > Good Day and Thank you for reading this. > _/\_ > JM > > > > > > > > On 8/3/2012 3:24 AM, Bill! wrote: > >  > >Mike, > > > >I would describe it as something similar to being filled > with the Holy Spirit and giving yourself over COMPLETELY > to God's will. > > > >Bill! (not Joe or Bill) > > > >--- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > >> > >> Joe, > >> > >> How would you describe shikantaza to someone from a > religion such as Christianity? > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Joe <desert_woodworker@> > >> To: [email protected] > >> Sent: Friday, 3 August 2012, 3:24 > >> Subject: Re: [Zen] Samadhi > >> > >> > >>  > >> Shikantaza is "just keeping empty". In the Zen sect. > >> > >> I'll say no more! > >> > >> --Joe > >> > >> > > >> >"ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote: > >> > > >> > Mike, > >> > > >> > Is shikantaza insight meditation, absorption > meditation or both? > >> > > > > >
