Kris, Must admit that my lack of any real exposure to Christianity, outside of the madness of the American Christian Right and the institution of the church, has probably made me focus on the darker, extrinsic and more superficial side of Christianity.
>No matter what you believe, it only serves as proof you do not know. I certainly didn't before, but now I definitely don't know. Cheers Mike ________________________________ from: Kristopher Grey <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 5 August 2012, 4:46 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen On 8/4/2012 6:48 AM, mike brown wrote: > ...what tends to happen when a person in an established religion > experiences them, is that they overlay them with the religious beliefs > and iconsnthey happen to be following. Whether you consider yourself so "established" or not, you do this nonetheless, with your talk of 'jhanas' and such. Your preference of certain terms and methods, same as what you reject from others - when not attached to appearances. If you cannot accept an ancient 'Christian' mystic was simply speaking as such, how are we to regard your assertions? Buddha, spoke as a Brahmin of his time, using his culture's terms, their myths and metaphors. This does not relfect his realization, only his venue and audience. Same for Christ, for anyone else. A point of agreement, where I would happily be wrong: I am quite sure you have made up your mind. 100% No matter what you believe, it only serves as proof you do not know. KG
