On 8/4/2012 6:48 AM, mike brown wrote:
> ...what tends to happen when a person in an established religion 
> experiences them, is that they overlay them with the religious beliefs 
> and iconsnthey happen to be following. 

Whether you consider yourself so "established" or not, you do this 
nonetheless, with your talk of 'jhanas' and such. Your preference of 
certain terms and methods, same as what you reject from others - when 
not attached to appearances.

If you cannot accept an ancient 'Christian' mystic was simply speaking 
as such, how are we to regard your assertions?

Buddha, spoke as a Brahmin of his time, using his culture's terms, their 
myths and metaphors. This does not relfect his realization, only his 
venue and audience. Same for Christ, for anyone else.

A point of agreement, where I would happily be wrong: I am quite sure 
you have made up your mind. 100%

No matter what you believe, it only serves as proof you do not know.

KG


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