I am a perpetual beginner when it comes to meditation.  I've been doing it for 
40 years, mostly Vipasana in structure.  Cultivating a Mind-Body Awareness 
through guided meditations with various teachers and proponents of Yoga such as 
Ram Das (aka Richard Alpert) and Swami Jnaneshvara Bharati. I was drawn to Zen 
by its simplicity and by the works of Alan Watts. I have attended 2 weekends of 
Sesshin with a group affiliated with the American Zen Association, at the New 
Orleans Zen Temple where Robert Livingston Roshi is the Abbot. I am not a 
member 
there though, they wanted $400 a month to be a member and you have to be a 
member for at least 3 months before you can receive dokusan from Livingston 
Roshi. It just felt like a scam to me. I've also done some sitting with the 
Blue 
Iris Sangha http://blueirissangha.org/ they follow a Vietnamese teacher named 
Thich Nhat Hanh.  The group has just moved to Lien Hoa Temple which is now too 
far away for me. So I try an do it on my own while I am looking for someone 
closer.  


My Zazen experience - 

I understand that you simply need to count your breaths but here's what I 
experience. 


1 - Everything feels good.  No pains, cramps, gas, bladder spams, etc.
2 - I focus on my nose as the breath comes in and goes out. 1,2,3,4,5....  I 
rarely get past 5.
3 - First I feel a sense of detachment and I can't feel the air moving in or 
out 
of my body at all.  Focusing on my breathing becomes more like trying to focus 
on the blood moving through my veins, I know that it's happening but where? 

4 - Then my mind takes off like a dog chasing a car, but really more like a dog 
trying to chase many cars.  It often reminds me of the way my grandmother's 
ringer washer would agitate cloths. Just a chaos of thought fragments.
5 - I become aware that I am afloat in this chaos and bring my mind back to 
trying to count my breaths 1,2,3,....
6 - by the end of a half hour I feel less like I am caught in the agitation of 
a 
washing machine and more like I'm a cork bobbing in very rough water. 

All in all the experience is very stressful and discouraging.  Reading what you 
have all posted here I am encouraged that my experience isn't unusual however 


I mentioned this to a friend of mine and she said "Oh, you have Monkey 
Mind!"  Monkey Mind! So what can you do about Monkey Mind?    


Any feedback would be appreciated.
Bill not Bill! 




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