Speaking for Al, the forum owner, and both the moderators, Edgar and me, we all hope you stay. We get a commission on each post and your membership here has already moved up the date of my retirement by several weeks...
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > > Â right..edgar..maybe this zen is not for me...why are you saying crazy new > age fantasy? > > ...there are plenty of practises of a human kind that believe in nature and > nature's spirits...communicating with nature. e.g australian aborigines > .it is not new fangled dangled... > Â merle. > .worshipping and communicating with the sun this morning at 6:30am > > Â > Merle, > > Reread paragraph 4 Merle. I said nothing of the sort... I was talking about > incorrect facts, not the spiritual awe of reality. > > Do you understand the difference? You don't have to think the flower > understands what you say to it to appreciate the flower. Zen is realizing and > appreciating the TRUE nature of the flower, not some crazy New Age fantasy > facts you project onto it. > > Edgar > > On Aug 28, 2012, at 8:47 AM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > thank you for your clarification edgar > > > > ..remind me never to see the poetry in the dancing daffodil or listen to > > the music that the leaves on the trees sing. > > ..remind me i must be ever vigilant unless i fall from grace and am reduced > > to praise and awe and wonder at the beauty of mother nature especially her > > most glorious of all...her sexual delights in the form of flowers never > > again to listen to their glorious voices > > > > ..remind me that i must always remain ever scientific ever logical and > > alert to childish silly fantasy games and illusions.. > > never again must i listen to the wind and the grasses when they speak. > > ..goodness me and oh jesus christ ..what would the red skin indian say to > > your theories edgar? > > > > ...edgar save me from such silly ways > > ..for life is not a bowl of cherries > > it is hard real world made from solid rock..solid knowledge based on > > facts and figures > > ..and if one dare to fall and fall to such fancies as projecting a human > > quality to a plant life and me daring to speak plant language..strike me > > dumb > > so i may never speak again of such unheard things.. > > > > ... merle..the wolf carrying a bright yellow daffodil as a peace offering > > to those who know what sitting bull would have replied > > > > > > Joe, > > > > Flowers do have 'senses' in the sense that they have receptors for and > > respond to light, touch, chemical signals and possibly sound. They have > > fairly complex internal electrical and chemical signaling systems.... > > > > What I doubt is Merle's contention that her plants listen to her and > > respond to what she says.... There is no evolutionary reason they should do > > so and no scientific evidence that they do.... > > > > I'd say Merle is projecting here which is a dangerous form of illusion and > > the antithesis of Zen.... > > > > There is a subtle Zen point here. It's fine to have personal myths like > > this so long as one realizes they are just fun fantasy, games and illusion > > and NOT reality. Illusion recognized as illusion is reality, illusion seen > > as reality is illusion.... > > > > One of the most dangerous illusions to Zen is the various 'New Age' wishful > > thinking that falsely projects goody goody saccharin fake sweetness on > > reality. It's like astrology, numerology, anti-scientific religious > > delusions and the various forms of 'spiritualism' that all attempt to > > project the delusions of mind onto reality. > > > > There is no realization so long as one is mired in these illusions... > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 28, 2012, at 12:31 AM, Joe wrote: > > > > > >> Glenn, > >> > >> With respect, I *doubt* these "instrumental revelations". > >> > >> I am a professional and an expert in Scientific Instrumentation, and I > >> have nothing but doubts about these botanical "experiments" that are so > >> often cited. I believe they are BS; and, if you have a while, I can show > >> you exactly why. Well, it may not be easy to get together. > >> > >> But, keep a skeptical -- and an open -- mind, I suggest! > >> > >> And don't be gullible. > >> > >> As much as I love flowers, too. > >> > >> --Joe > >> > >>> "Glenn Rogers" <rgthiessen@> wrote: > >>> > >>> I saw a National Geographic program in which scientists hooked up ECG > >>> monitors to plant flowers. [snip] > >> > >> > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
