Kristopher, Making a statement doesn't mean there is an attachment to that statement. Why would you have that idea?
Edgar On Aug 30, 2012, at 1:09 PM, Kristopher Grey wrote: > > At least as amusing I hope, as your attachment to your assumptions about all > this are to me. Otherwise it's a VERY lopsided exchange! > > I will settle accounts, and concede your mastery. The level of humor you > attain describing what Zen is/is not, I will clearly never match! > > KG > > > > On 8/30/2012 9:05 AM, Edgar Owen wrote: >> >> Kristopher and Bill! >> >> >> It's amusing to see you two continually verbally deny the obvious reality of >> the logic of the world of forms which you must conform to every minute of >> your existence to remain alive and function, as if denying this reality is >> somehow an indication of having Zen when it's actually the antithesis of >> Zen.... >> >> Zen is not denying the logical rules of the world of forms or denying the >> existence of the world of forms; Zen is seeing the world of forms and its >> intrinsic rules for what they are as manifestations of the underlying Buddha >> nature, or Tao, or in my terminology ontological energy... >> >> Edgar >> >> >> >> On Aug 29, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Kristopher Grey wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> The word choice was not a mistake (and was also a play on your words) >>> >>> The discrimination of obvious delusions as 'false' and less obvious >>> delusions as 'true' is a form of binding arbitration. >>> >>> 'Certainty' certainly applies in the way you say, but only conveys a >>> half-truth that will appear to make more sense to those who seek to gain >>> knowledge of 'true' and 'false'. This is not the truth I speak to. >>> >>> KG >>> >>> >>> On 8/29/2012 9:50 AM, Edgar Owen wrote: >>>> >>>> Kristopher, >>>> >>>> The word 'surety' means a taking of responsibility usually in the form of >>>> a bond for someone else's financial obligation. >>>> >>>> Perhaps you meant to say 'certainty'? >>>> >>>> Contrary to what you imply some things are true and some false.... There >>>> is a consistent logical structure to reality and what is inconsistent with >>>> that is false. A delusion is a falsehood still believed in spite of good >>>> evidence to the contrary. Most beliefs of religions including animistic >>>> religions such as that of the Aborigines are obvious delusion... >>>> >>>> Thinking that 'surety' means 'certainty' is a delusion though in your case >>>> it was likely just a typo as sometimes happens to the best of us.... >>>> >>>> Edgar >>>> >>>> On Aug 28, 2012, at 11:56 PM, Kristopher Grey wrote: >>>> >>>> > On 8/28/2012 8:35 PM, Edgar Owen wrote: >>>> >> Sure there are plenty of nature spirit religions. They are ALL >>>> >> delusions... >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > As is your surety. >>>> > >>>> > KG >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ------------------------------------ >>>> > >>>> > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are >>>> > reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>> >>> >> > > >
