At least as amusing I hope, as your attachment to your assumptions about
all this are to me. Otherwise it's a VERY lopsided exchange!
I will settle accounts, and concede your mastery. The level of humor you
attain describing what Zen is/is not, I will clearly never match!
KG
On 8/30/2012 9:05 AM, Edgar Owen wrote:
Kristopher and Bill!
It's amusing to see you two continually verbally deny the obvious
reality of the logic of the world of forms which you must conform to
every minute of your existence to remain alive and function, as if
denying this reality is somehow an indication of having Zen when it's
actually the antithesis of Zen....
Zen is not denying the logical rules of the world of forms or denying
the existence of the world of forms; Zen is seeing the world of forms
and its intrinsic rules for what they are as manifestations of the
underlying Buddha nature, or Tao, or in my terminology ontological
energy...
Edgar
On Aug 29, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Kristopher Grey wrote:
The word choice was not a mistake (and was also a play on your words)
The discrimination of obvious delusions as 'false' and less obvious
delusions as 'true' is a form of binding arbitration.
'Certainty' certainly applies in the way you say, but only conveys a
half-truth that will appear to make more sense to those who seek to
gain knowledge of 'true' and 'false'. This is not the truth I speak to.
KG
On 8/29/2012 9:50 AM, Edgar Owen wrote:
Kristopher,
The word 'surety' means a taking of responsibility usually in the
form of a bond for someone else's financial obligation.
Perhaps you meant to say 'certainty'?
Contrary to what you imply some things are true and some false....
There is a consistent logical structure to reality and what is
inconsistent with that is false. A delusion is a falsehood still
believed in spite of good evidence to the contrary. Most beliefs of
religions including animistic religions such as that of the
Aborigines are obvious delusion...
Thinking that 'surety' means 'certainty' is a delusion though in
your case it was likely just a typo as sometimes happens to the best
of us....
Edgar
On Aug 28, 2012, at 11:56 PM, Kristopher Grey wrote:
> On 8/28/2012 8:35 PM, Edgar Owen wrote:
>> Sure there are plenty of nature spirit religions. They are ALL
>> delusions...
>>
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> As is your surety.
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> KG
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