Bill and Merle, I second that. Merle is a fighter and I don't think she'll leave just because Edgar pecks away at her illusions!
She does have a thin skin sometimes but that of course is because she still has attachments as do we all :-) Edgar On Aug 28, 2012, at 9:23 PM, Bill! wrote: > Speaking for Al, the forum owner, and both the moderators, Edgar and me, we > all hope you stay. We get a commission on each post and your membership here > has already moved up the date of my retirement by several weeks... > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Â right..edgar..maybe this zen is not for me...why are you saying crazy new > > age fantasy? > > > > ...there are plenty of practises of a human kind that believe in nature and > > nature's spirits...communicating with nature. e.g australian aborigines > > .it is not new fangled dangled... > > Â merle. > > .worshipping and communicating with the sun this morning at 6:30am > > > > Â > > Merle, > > > > Reread paragraph 4 Merle. I said nothing of the sort... I was talking about > > incorrect facts, not the spiritual awe of reality. > > > > Do you understand the difference? You don't have to think the flower > > understands what you say to it to appreciate the flower. Zen is realizing > > and appreciating the TRUE nature of the flower, not some crazy New Age > > fantasy facts you project onto it. > > > > Edgar > > > > On Aug 28, 2012, at 8:47 AM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > thank you for your clarification edgar > > > > > > ..remind me never to see the poetry in the dancing daffodil or listen to > > > the music that the leaves on the trees sing. > > > ..remind me i must be ever vigilant unless i fall from grace and am > > > reduced to praise and awe and wonder at the beauty of mother nature > > > especially her most glorious of all...her sexual delights in the form of > > > flowers never again to listen to their glorious voices > > > > > > ..remind me that i must always remain ever scientific ever logical and > > > alert to childish silly fantasy games and illusions.. > > > never again must i listen to the wind and the grasses when they speak. > > > ..goodness me and oh jesus christ ..what would the red skin indian say to > > > your theories edgar? > > > > > > ...edgar save me from such silly ways > > > ..for life is not a bowl of cherries > > > it is hard real world made from solid rock..solid knowledge based on > > > facts and figures > > > ..and if one dare to fall and fall to such fancies as projecting a human > > > quality to a plant life and me daring to speak plant language..strike me > > > dumb > > > so i may never speak again of such unheard things.. > > > > > > ... merle..the wolf carrying a bright yellow daffodil as a peace offering > > > to those who know what sitting bull would have replied > > > > > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > Flowers do have 'senses' in the sense that they have receptors for and > > > respond to light, touch, chemical signals and possibly sound. They have > > > fairly complex internal electrical and chemical signaling systems.... > > > > > > What I doubt is Merle's contention that her plants listen to her and > > > respond to what she says.... There is no evolutionary reason they should > > > do so and no scientific evidence that they do.... > > > > > > I'd say Merle is projecting here which is a dangerous form of illusion > > > and the antithesis of Zen.... > > > > > > There is a subtle Zen point here. It's fine to have personal myths like > > > this so long as one realizes they are just fun fantasy, games and > > > illusion and NOT reality. Illusion recognized as illusion is reality, > > > illusion seen as reality is illusion.... > > > > > > One of the most dangerous illusions to Zen is the various 'New Age' > > > wishful thinking that falsely projects goody goody saccharin fake > > > sweetness on reality. It's like astrology, numerology, anti-scientific > > > religious delusions and the various forms of 'spiritualism' that all > > > attempt to project the delusions of mind onto reality. > > > > > > There is no realization so long as one is mired in these illusions... > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 28, 2012, at 12:31 AM, Joe wrote: > > > > > > > > >> Glenn, > > >> > > >> With respect, I *doubt* these "instrumental revelations". > > >> > > >> I am a professional and an expert in Scientific Instrumentation, and I > > >> have nothing but doubts about these botanical "experiments" that are so > > >> often cited. I believe they are BS; and, if you have a while, I can show > > >> you exactly why. Well, it may not be easy to get together. > > >> > > >> But, keep a skeptical -- and an open -- mind, I suggest! > > >> > > >> And don't be gullible. > > >> > > >> As much as I love flowers, too. > > >> > > >> --Joe > > >> > > >>> "Glenn Rogers" <rgthiessen@> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> I saw a National Geographic program in which scientists hooked up ECG > > >>> monitors to plant flowers. [snip] > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >
