Kristopher, But she wasn't being funny in that post ...
Edgar On Sep 1, 2012, at 4:54 PM, Kristopher Grey wrote: > > 'twasn't a criticism, 'twas but a recognition of her sharp wit. > > KG > > On 8/31/2012 10:07 AM, Edgar Owen wrote: >> >> Kristopher and Merle, >> >> >> Why the "Ouch? >> >> Merle is just being honest and open here which is admirable. >> >> Honest that she recognizes some of her attachments and open to finding how >> to free herself from them. >> >> Recognizing and understanding the things that keep one from realization and >> being open to changing them is absolutely essential for realization. This is >> a crucial part of the path.... >> >> Merle should be commended here, not criticized..... She shows an openness to >> changing most are afraid to.... >> >> Edgar >> >> >> >> On Aug 30, 2012, at 12:57 PM, Kristopher Grey wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Ouch! Well, at least she didn't call you a 'Guru' Edgar! >>> >>> KG >>> >>> >>> On 8/30/2012 7:44 AM, Merle Lester wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> edgar..you are absolutely right..tell me how i can move past this >>>> point...be my teacher please...merle >>>> >>>> >>>> Merle, >>>> >>>> The problem with being happily mired in ignorance and being attached to >>>> all the good things in your life is that you then are going to be equally >>>> attached to any bad things that happen.... >>>> >>>> That's why Buddha spoke of the Middle Way and freeing oneself from ALL >>>> attachments, both the pleasant and unpleasant ones... >>>> >>>> Edgar >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 29, 2012, at 10:31 PM, Merle Lester wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> illusions...huh? >>>>> peck away edgar >>>>> strip me bare >>>>> free from my bondage from >>>>> those golden daffodils and pixies that are calling me..".come >>>>> hither..play with us" >>>>> merle...dancing to the tune of "wild thing" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Bill and Merle, >>>>> >>>>> I second that. Merle is a fighter and I don't think she'll leave just >>>>> because Edgar pecks away at her illusions! >>>>> >>>>> She does have a thin skin sometimes but that of course is because she >>>>> still has attachments as do we all >>>>> :-) >>>>> >>>>> Edgar >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 28, 2012, at 9:23 PM, Bill! wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Speaking for Al, the forum owner, and both the moderators, Edgar and me, >>>>>> we all hope you stay. We get a commission on each post and your >>>>>> membership here has >>>>>> already moved up the date of my retirement by several weeks... >>>>>> >>>>>> ...Bill! >>>>>> >>>>>> --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Â right..edgar..maybe this zen is not for me...why are you saying >>>>>> > crazy new age fantasy? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > ...there are plenty of practises of a human kind that believe in >>>>>> > nature and nature's spirits...communicating with nature. e.g >>>>>> > australian aborigines >>>>>> > .it is not new fangled dangled... >>>>>> > Â merle. >>>>>> > .worshipping and communicating with the sun this morning at 6:30am >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Â >>>>>> > Merle, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Reread paragraph 4 Merle. I said nothing of the sort... I was talking >>>>>> > about incorrect facts, not the spiritual awe of reality. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Do you understand the difference? You don't have to think the flower >>>>>> > understands what you say to it to appreciate the flower. Zen is >>>>>> > realizing and appreciating the TRUE nature of the flower, not some >>>>>> > crazy New Age fantasy facts you project onto it. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Edgar >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Aug 28, 2012, at 8:47 AM, Merle Lester wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > thank you for your clarification edgar >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > ..remind me never to see the poetry in the dancing daffodil or >>>>>> > > listen to the music that the leaves on the trees sing. >>>>>> > > ..remind me i must be ever vigilant unless i fall from grace and am >>>>>> > > reduced to praise and awe and wonder at the beauty of mother nature >>>>>> > > especially her most glorious of all...her sexual delights in the >>>>>> > > form of flowers never again to listen to their glorious voices >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > ..remind me that i must always remain ever scientific ever logical >>>>>> > > and alert to childish silly fantasy games and illusions.. >>>>>> > > never again must i listen to the wind and the grasses when they >>>>>> > > speak. >>>>>> > > ..goodness me and oh jesus christ ..what would the red skin indian >>>>>> > > say to your theories edgar? >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > ...edgar save me from such silly ways >>>>>> > > ..for life is not a bowl of cherries >>>>>> > > it is hard real world made from solid rock..solid knowledge based on >>>>>> > > facts and figures >>>>>> > > ..and if one dare to fall and fall to such fancies as projecting a >>>>>> > > human quality to a plant life and me daring to speak plant >>>>>> > > language..strike me dumb >>>>>> > > so i may never speak again of such unheard things.. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > ... merle..the wolf carrying a bright yellow daffodil as a peace >>>>>> > > offering to those who know what sitting bull would have replied >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > Joe, >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > Flowers do have 'senses' in the sense that they have receptors for >>>>>> > > and respond to light, touch, chemical signals and possibly sound. >>>>>> > > They have fairly complex internal electrical and chemical signaling >>>>>> > > systems.... >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > What I doubt is Merle's contention that her plants listen to her and >>>>>> > > respond to what she says.... There is no evolutionary reason they >>>>>> > > should do so and no scientific evidence that they do.... >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > I'd say Merle is projecting here which is a dangerous form of >>>>>> > > illusion and the antithesis of Zen.... >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > There is a subtle Zen point here. It's fine to have personal myths >>>>>> > > like this so long as one realizes they are just fun fantasy, games >>>>>> > > and illusion and NOT reality. Illusion recognized as illusion is >>>>>> > > reality, illusion seen as reality is illusion.... >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > One of the most dangerous illusions to Zen is the various 'New Age' >>>>>> > > wishful thinking that falsely projects goody goody saccharin fake >>>>>> > > sweetness on reality. It's like astrology, numerology, >>>>>> > > anti-scientific religious delusions and the various forms of >>>>>> > > 'spiritualism' that all attempt to project the delusions of mind >>>>>> > > onto reality. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > There is no realization so long as one is mired in these illusions... >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > Edgar >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > On Aug 28, 2012, at 12:31 AM, Joe wrote: >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >> Glenn, >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> With respect, I *doubt* these "instrumental revelations". >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> I am a professional and an expert in Scientific Instrumentation, >>>>>> > >> and I have nothing but doubts about these botanical "experiments" >>>>>> > >> that are so often cited. I believe they are BS; and, if you have a >>>>>> > >> while, I can show you exactly why. Well, it may not be easy to get >>>>>> > >> together. >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> But, keep a skeptical -- and an open -- mind, I suggest! >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> And don't be gullible. >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> As much as I love flowers, too. >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> --Joe >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >>> "Glenn Rogers" <rgthiessen@> wrote: >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> I saw a National Geographic program in which scientists hooked up >>>>>> > >>> ECG monitors to plant flowers. [snip] >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > >
