Merle, There is no spirit or chi. There is no without and within. There is Just THIS!
WASH YOUR BOWLS! ...Bill! --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote: > > "Don't know" > > > > ________________________________ > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 22:47 > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils" > > >  > this morn i go to tai chi class... and gather the "chi" energy.....i think a > spirit is out there mike..the chi is within.... what doth thee say > edgar?..merle >  Edgar, > > > > Don't you contradict yourself here somewhat? You were previously critical of > people from cultures where they may have a belief in dragons or rainbow > serpents etc. Aren't these beliefs part of the Truth (Buddha Nature) as well > then? Especially when they haven't had, or even when they have had, contact > with contemporary science. If you believe in 'chi' energy, what's the > difference in believing in 'spirit'? > > Mike > > > ________________________________ > From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 13:00 > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils" > > >  > Bill! > > And that my friend is precisely the problem. Logic, like everything else that > exists IS Buddha Nature. Because there is nothing that is NOT Buddha nature... > > I think we've honed into the absolute kernel and crux of the disagreement > right here ... > > See what I'm saying? > > You adopt a dualistic view by denying part of what exists is part of Buddha > Nature. > I point out there is no such dualism because everything that exists is part > of reality (Buddha Nature) by definition, including things such as logic and > your daily life using logic making a living, that you deny is part of Buddha > Nature. > > > This is the MOST IMPORTANT post of mine to Bill! ever! I only hope this will > be a super Kwatz moment and that Bill! won't try to avoid and ignore the koan > as usual.... > > Edgar > > > > > > On Sep 2, 2012, at 7:32 AM, Bill! wrote: > >  > >Edgar, > > > >Sometimes I think you don't read my posts. > > > >I NEVER said I don't use logic. I use it all the time. I make my living > >using it. I don't however mistake logic for Buddha Nature. > > > >...Bill! > > > >--- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > >> > >> Bill!, > >> > >> Proving Bill! still uses his considerable intelligence to negotiate the > >> rational world of forms contrary to what he claims and would have us > >> believe .... > >> :-) > >> > >> Edgar > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sep 2, 2012, at 4:46 AM, Bill! wrote: > >> > >> > Bill, > >> > > >> > I've had a lot of practice trying to follow Edgar's posts. I'm sure > >> > you'll get the hang of it sooner or later. > >> > > >> > ...Bill! > >> > > >> > --- In [email protected], William Rintala <brintala@> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Thank you for that Edgar.à I can follow your emails better if you > >> > > give them to > >> > > me a teaspoon at a time, unlike Bill! who seems to follow what you say > >> > > with > >> > > ease. > >> > > > >> > > à Bill not Bill! > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Find what makes your heart singââ¬Â¦and do it! > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ________________________________ > >> > > From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> > >> > > To: [email protected] > >> > > Sent: Sat, September 1, 2012 6:36:59 AM > >> > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils" > >> > > > >> > > à > >> > > Joe and Merle, > >> > > > >> > > There is no 'goal' of enlightenment to be achieved without which you > >> > > imagine you > >> > > are incomplete.... > >> > > > >> > > There is no incompleteness. This understanding is an essential aspect > >> > > of > >> > > realization... > >> > > > >> > > Wham! > >> > > > >> > > Edgar > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Joe wrote: > >> > > > >> > > à > >> > > >Hiya, Merle, > >> > > > > >> > > >Nonetheless, practice formally if you are able. > >> > > > > >> > > >If you are not able, then find some way to do it. ;-) > >> > > > > >> > > >It's as important as that. Life is a little bit short, nowadays. > >> > > > > >> > > >If you report-back that it is all B.S., then we'll understand that it > >> > > >is so, for > >> > > >you... once you have given it your ALL, with a good teacher, and > >> > > >sangha. > >> > > > > >> > > >But I think you'll have a more positive experience, and report. > >> > > > > >> > > >In fact, I worry that you may develop attachments, especially in the > >> > > >realm, or > >> > > >area, of the Optical-sense. But when I see the paintings that > >> > > >afterwards result, > >> > > >coming from your studio, THAT will assuage my concerns, probably, and > >> > > >bath me in > >> > > >balm, I am sure. And this is what I look forward to. > >> > > > > >> > > >Yet, it's not selfishness, on my part. > >> > > > > >> > > >And, I am not attached to the possibility. But I have hopes that > >> > > >EVERYONE who > >> > > >wishes to practice under the best conditions may have their wish, and > >> > > >will > >> > > >awaken. Not just because I have done it, and have had the wonder and > >> > > >miracle of > >> > > >this chance a number of times, as many of us have, in company with so > >> > > >many > >> > > >others throughout History, and among our intimate acquaintances: but, > >> > > >because so > >> > > >many others have *not*. > >> > > > > >> > > >I know what I'm wishing you, and others, I mean. > >> > > > > >> > > >Otherwise... may the veiled-life suffice! One can't disparage where > >> > > >we are. One > >> > > >can only either realize, or not realize. Realize means realizing > >> > > >where we are > >> > > >already, but being the most clear about it. That's not a movement to > >> > > >somewhere > >> > > >else, but it is a very, very big step, as momentous as the late Neil > >> > > >Armstrong's. Will you trust me, about this, in this? > >> > > > > >> > > >I was 17 when he and Buzz landed, and walked, and Mike Collins > >> > > >orbited, > >> > > >station-keeping for them. Life was different after that. I could > >> > > >write volumes > >> > > >about how. > >> > > > > >> > > >Maybe I'm a relic. Maybe, someday, to be appreciated. ;-) > >> > > > > >> > > >--Joe > >> > > > > >> > > >> Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > >> > > >> > >> > > >> ..am i on track.????? > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! 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