Merle, There is no inner and outer world. There is no third eye.
There is Just THIS! ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > >  i disagree bill.... there is the inner world and the outer world..open your > third eye!...merle >  > Merle, > > There is no spirit or chi. There is no without and within. There is Just > THIS! > > WASH YOUR BOWLS! > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > > > > "Don't know" > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> > > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 22:47 > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils" > > > > > > à> > this morn i go to tai chi class... and gather the "chi" energy.....i think > > a spirit is out there mike..the chi is within.... what doth thee say > > edgar?..merle > > àEdgar, > > > > > > > > Don't you contradict yourself here somewhat? You were previously critical > > of people from cultures where they may have a belief in dragons or rainbow > > serpents etc. Aren't these beliefs part of the Truth (Buddha Nature) as > > well then? Especially when they haven't had, or even when they have had, > > contact with contemporary science. If you believe in 'chi' energy, what's > > the difference in believing in 'spirit'? > > > > Mike > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 13:00 > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils" > > > > > > à> > Bill! > > > > And that my friend is precisely the problem. Logic, like everything else > > that exists IS Buddha Nature. Because there is nothing that is NOT Buddha > > nature... > > > > I think we've honed into the absolute kernel and crux of the disagreement > > right here ... > > > > See what I'm saying? > > > > You adopt a dualistic view by denying part of what exists is part of Buddha > > Nature.à> > I point out there is no such dualism because everything that exists is part > > of reality (Buddha Nature) by definition, including things such as logic > > and your daily life using logic making a living, that you deny is part of > > Buddha Nature.à> > > > > > This is the MOST IMPORTANT post of mine to Bill! ever! I only hope this > > will be a super Kwatz moment and that Bill! won't try to avoid and ignore > > the koan as usual.... > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 2, 2012, at 7:32 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > à> > >Edgar, > > > > > >Sometimes I think you don't read my posts. > > > > > >I NEVER said I don't use logic. I use it all the time. I make my living > > >using it. I don't however mistake logic for Buddha Nature. > > > > > >...Bill! > > > > > >--- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > >> > > >> Bill!, > > >> > > >> Proving Bill! still uses his considerable intelligence to negotiate the > > >> rational world of forms contrary to what he claims and would have us > > >> believe .... > > >> :-) > > >> > > >> Edgar > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Sep 2, 2012, at 4:46 AM, Bill! wrote: > > >> > > >> > Bill, > > >> > > > >> > I've had a lot of practice trying to follow Edgar's posts. I'm sure > > >> > you'll get the hang of it sooner or later. > > >> > > > >> > ...Bill! > > >> > > > >> > --- In [email protected], William Rintala <brintala@> wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > Thank you for that Edgar.Ãâ I can follow your emails better if > > >> > > you give them to > > >> > > me a teaspoon at a time, unlike Bill! who seems to follow what you > > >> > > say with > > >> > > ease. > > >> > > > > >> > > Ãâ Bill not Bill! > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Find what makes your heart singâââ¬Ã¦and do it! > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > ________________________________ > > >> > > From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> > > >> > > To: [email protected] > > >> > > Sent: Sat, September 1, 2012 6:36:59 AM > > >> > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils" > > >> > > > > >> > > Ãâ > > >> > > Joe and Merle, > > >> > > > > >> > > There is no 'goal' of enlightenment to be achieved without which you > > >> > > imagine you > > >> > > are incomplete.... > > >> > > > > >> > > There is no incompleteness. This understanding is an essential > > >> > > aspect of > > >> > > realization... > > >> > > > > >> > > Wham! > > >> > > > > >> > > Edgar > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Joe wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > Ãâ > > >> > > >Hiya, Merle, > > >> > > > > > >> > > >Nonetheless, practice formally if you are able. > > >> > > > > > >> > > >If you are not able, then find some way to do it. ;-) > > >> > > > > > >> > > >It's as important as that. Life is a little bit short, nowadays. > > >> > > > > > >> > > >If you report-back that it is all B.S., then we'll understand that > > >> > > >it is so, for > > >> > > >you... once you have given it your ALL, with a good teacher, and > > >> > > >sangha. > > >> > > > > > >> > > >But I think you'll have a more positive experience, and report. > > >> > > > > > >> > > >In fact, I worry that you may develop attachments, especially in > > >> > > >the realm, or > > >> > > >area, of the Optical-sense. But when I see the paintings that > > >> > > >afterwards result, > > >> > > >coming from your studio, THAT will assuage my concerns, probably, > > >> > > >and bath me in > > >> > > >balm, I am sure. And this is what I look forward to. > > >> > > > > > >> > > >Yet, it's not selfishness, on my part. > > >> > > > > > >> > > >And, I am not attached to the possibility. But I have hopes that > > >> > > >EVERYONE who > > >> > > >wishes to practice under the best conditions may have their wish, > > >> > > >and will > > >> > > >awaken. Not just because I have done it, and have had the wonder > > >> > > >and miracle of > > >> > > >this chance a number of times, as many of us have, in company with > > >> > > >so many > > >> > > >others throughout History, and among our intimate acquaintances: > > >> > > >but, because so > > >> > > >many others have *not*. > > >> > > > > > >> > > >I know what I'm wishing you, and others, I mean. > > >> > > > > > >> > > >Otherwise... may the veiled-life suffice! One can't disparage where > > >> > > >we are. One > > >> > > >can only either realize, or not realize. Realize means realizing > > >> > > >where we are > > >> > > >already, but being the most clear about it. That's not a movement > > >> > > >to somewhere > > >> > > >else, but it is a very, very big step, as momentous as the late > > >> > > >Neil > > >> > > >Armstrong's. Will you trust me, about this, in this? > > >> > > > > > >> > > >I was 17 when he and Buzz landed, and walked, and Mike Collins > > >> > > >orbited, > > >> > > >station-keeping for them. Life was different after that. I could > > >> > > >write volumes > > >> > > >about how. > > >> > > > > > >> > > >Maybe I'm a relic. Maybe, someday, to be appreciated. ;-) > > >> > > > > > >> > > >--Joe > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ..am i on track.????? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
