Let's drop this non Zen thread too. OK? Edgar
On Sep 7, 2012, at 8:03 AM, Bill! wrote: > Edgar, > > The operative word here is 'big'. Logic does not plays a 'big' part in > engineering. Logic does not play a 'big' part in art. I didn't say it > doesn't play any part. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: >> >> Bill!, >> >> That's nonsense as any, or at least most, practicing artists will tell you... >> >> Good art requires enormous technical mastery which involves long study and a >> deep rational understanding.. >> >> Edgar >> >> >> >> On Sep 7, 2012, at 4:58 AM, billsmart wrote: >> >>> Logic plays a big part in engineering, not art...Bill! >>> >>> --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: >>>> >>>> Â bill..artists can be logical too... logic plays a big part in my >>>> art...merle >>>> >>>> >>>> Â >>>> Everyone, >>>> >>>> I try to communicate with people on this forum in the way I think would be >>>> best to reach them. In Zen that's called 'skillful means'. I sometimes >>>> refer to it as 'using all the tools in my toolbox'. >>>> >>>> I communicate with Edgar with logic and long exegeses because I believe >>>> that is the only 'tool' he believes is valid - logic and understanding. He >>>> in my opinion is a good example of the saying 'when all you have is a >>>> hammer everything looks like a nail'. Logic is his hammer and he want's to >>>> apply it to everything. I believe it is an inappropriate tool to apply to >>>> zen, especially if that's the only tool you use. >>>> >>>> I communicate with Anthony with humor because I have seen him respond well >>>> to that. >>>> >>>> I communicate with Kris and Mike using zen metaphors and that seems to >>>> work well. >>>> >>>> I thought Merle, seeing the way she posted and being an artist, would >>>> respond better to metaphors than to logic and dissertations, but I may >>>> have misread that one. >>>> >>>> Anyway what I want everyone to know is that when I post my long >>>> dissertations to Edgar it is specifically tailored for and primarily >>>> directed at him. I know it's not appropriate for everyone so don't judge >>>> me too harshly. This style is certainly not the one I am most comfortable >>>> with, but is one I can employ. >>>> >>>> If anyone specifically addresses me in a post I will respond. I will also >>>> respond to posts in which I'm not addressed if I think I have something to >>>> add. When I post I usually address them to someone specific, and use the >>>> style I think is the best way to communicate to them. It probably won't >>>> suit everyone. >>>> >>>> Like I said I have many tools in my toolbox, but am more skillful and >>>> comfortable with some than others. >>>> >>>> ...Bill! >>>> >>> >>> >> > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
