Still, you talk of others, just as they do.
KG
On 9/8/2012 5:58 AM, Bill! wrote:
What I'm saying is *I* don't believe that any land is 'holy' (or if it
is then ALL land is 'holy', not just specific places), or that
Christian scripture justifies the killing of people to take it. I do
believe those that participate in these actions DO BELIEVE that - at
least SOME of them. And MOST of them use Christian scripture to
JUSTIFY their actions.
I'm saying that because I've TALKED to fundamentalist Christians
(current ones, not 500-year old ones) and they sure do CLAIM and SOUND
like they actually believe all of that. I'll take their word for it.
...Bill!
--- In [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>,
Kristopher Grey <kris@...> wrote:
>
> As far as others minds are concerned, I'm saying I don't believe you
> don't know, can't know, or have and need to know. Maybe your psychic, I
> don't know.
>
> Point here is if you think you know, that's a belief. Don't express a
> belief and then tell me you don't have one. Buddhists call that shit
> delusion. So so psychologists.
>
> Horrible things happen, but you don't need to think as the perpetrators
> of such acts do by likewise taking up relative positions and claiming
> yours is the moral high ground so you can bolster your sense of self
> (including its identifications with this or that group for same
> purpose). They are no less your teachers than Buddha.
>
> Don't do as they do. Take action against such things when/as you can.
> The rest is BS head games to create inner turmoil/drama/specialness (so
> 'self' really feels itself struggling and can maintain its illusion).
> Buddhists call that suffering.
>
> If it seems I'm expressing delusion and suffering as aspects of the
same
> thing, I am. Cause and effect is irrelevant here, leave it for HS
> science class demonstrations.
>
>
> KG
>
>
>
>
> On 9/8/2012 5:05 AM, billsmart wrote:
> >
> > Kris,
> >
> > I'm not saying *I* believe all that bullshit. I'm saying I do believe
> > *they* believe it. *They* being the Christians and Muslims that
> > participate in that kind of thing.
> >
> > ...Bill!
> >
> > --- In [email protected]
<mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Kristopher Grey <kris@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Then you buy into (aka -believe) in that sort of mindless BS
every bit
> > > as much as they do, albeit from the sidelines where you can
point your
> > > finger and vicariously share their self-righteousness without
> > > recrimination! *L*
> > >
> > > KG
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/8/2012 3:53 AM, Bill! wrote:
> > > >
> > > > KG and Merle,
> > > >
> > > > I agree it's people that commit the horrors, but in the case I was
> > > > talking about it's at the behest and support of their religions
> > > > (Christianity and Islam in this case).
> > > >
> > > > ...Bill!
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected]
<mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â you betcha KG..that's it..people do the "dirty work"..merle
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Â 'Christianity' doesn't commit atrocities, or kindnesses.
People
> > > > do. Regardless of what they call themselves, the ones who commit
> > > > atrocities are the one who think as divisively and with as much
> > > > certainty regarding others as as you do below.
> > > > >
> > > > > Right marches on.
> > > > >
> > > > > KG
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 9/8/2012 12:32 AM, Bill! wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > > >Merle,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Christianity also conducted 20 or more crusades into the
> > > > > lands controlled by Islamic people that were responsible
> > > > > for countless horrors in the name of Jesus and 'universal
> > > > > love'.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >...Bill!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >--- In [email protected]
<mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Merle Lester
<merlewiitpom@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>  christianity delivers hope and  universal love.
> > > > > >> the teachings are profound and deep
> > > > > >> open your heart..and let the sun shine in!
> > > > > >> Â merle
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On 9/7/2012 6:57 AM, Edgar Owen wrote:
> > > > > >> > Christianity is the biggest scam on the planet
> > > > > because it promises
> > > > > >> > everything and delivers nothing!
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> All appears so, when one seeks from other.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> KG
> > > > > >>
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