think for yourself..merle
Still, you talk of others, just as they do.
KG
On 9/8/2012 5:58 AM, Bill! wrote:
>What I'm saying is *I* don't believe that any land is 'holy' (or if it is then
>ALL land is 'holy', not just specific places), or that Christian scripture
>justifies the killing of people to take it. I do believe those that
>participate in these actions DO BELIEVE that - at least SOME of them. And MOST
>of them use Christian scripture to JUSTIFY their actions.
>
>I'm saying that because I've TALKED to fundamentalist
Christians (current ones, not 500-year old ones) and they
sure do CLAIM and SOUND like they actually believe all of
that. I'll take their word for it.
>
>...Bill!
>
>--- In [email protected], Kristopher Grey <kris@...> wrote:
>>
>> As far as others minds are concerned, I'm saying I
don't believe you
>> don't know, can't know, or have and need to know.
Maybe your psychic, I
>> don't know.
>>
>> Point here is if you think you know, that's a belief.
Don't express a
>> belief and then tell me you don't have one. Buddhists
call that shit
>> delusion. So so psychologists.
>>
>> Horrible things happen, but you don't need to think
as the perpetrators
>> of such acts do by likewise taking up relative
positions and claiming
>> yours is the moral high ground so you can bolster
your sense of self
>> (including its identifications with this or that
group for same
>> purpose). They are no less your teachers than Buddha.
>>
>> Don't do as they do. Take action against such things
when/as you can.
>> The rest is BS head games to create inner
turmoil/drama/specialness (so
>> 'self' really feels itself struggling and can
maintain its illusion).
>> Buddhists call that suffering.
>>
>> If it seems I'm expressing delusion and suffering as
aspects of the same
>> thing, I am. Cause and effect is irrelevant here,
leave it for HS
>> science class demonstrations.
>>
>>
>> KG
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/8/2012 5:05 AM, billsmart wrote:
>> >
>> > Kris,
>> >
>> > I'm not saying *I* believe all that bullshit.
I'm saying I do believe
>> > *they* believe it. *They* being the Christians
and Muslims that
>> > participate in that kind of thing.
>> >
>> > ...Bill!
>> >
>> > --- In [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>,
>> > Kristopher Grey <kris@> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Then you buy into (aka -believe) in that
sort of mindless BS every bit
>> > > as much as they do, albeit from the
sidelines where you can point your
>> > > finger and vicariously share their
self-righteousness without
>> > > recrimination! *L*
>> > >
>> > > KG
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 9/8/2012 3:53 AM, Bill! wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > KG and Merle,
>> > > >
>> > > > I agree it's people that commit the
horrors, but in the case I was
>> > > > talking about it's at the behest and
support of their religions
>> > > > (Christianity and Islam in this case).
>> > > >
>> > > > ...Bill!
>> > > >
>> > > > --- In [email protected]
>> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>,
>> > > > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@>
wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Â you betcha KG..that's
it..people do the "dirty work"..merle
>> > > > > Â
>> > > > > Â 'Christianity' doesn't commit
atrocities, or kindnesses. People
>> > > > do. Regardless of what they call
themselves, the ones who commit
>> > > > atrocities are the one who think as
divisively and with as much
>> > > > certainty regarding others as as you
do below.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Right marches on.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > KG
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On 9/8/2012 12:32 AM, Bill!
wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Â
>> > > > > >Merle,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >Christianity also conducted
20 or more crusades into the
>> > > > > lands controlled by Islamic
people that were responsible
>> > > > > for countless horrors in the name
of Jesus and 'universal
>> > > > > love'.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >...Bill!
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >--- In [email protected]
>> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@>
>> > wrote:
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> Â christianity delivers
hope and  universal love.
>> > > > > >> the teachings are
profound and deep
>> > > > > >> open your heart..and let
the sun shine in!
>> > > > > >> Â merle
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> On 9/7/2012 6:57 AM,
Edgar Owen wrote:
>> > > > > >> > Christianity is the
biggest scam on the planet
>> > > > > because it promises
>> > > > > >> > everything and
delivers nothing!
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> All appears so, when one
seeks from other.
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> KG
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >>
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