KG,

Neither does Zen consist of stream of consciousness posts! The mind should be 
focused before the mouth is opened or the mouse is clicked....

Not that I always do that myself!
:-)

Edgar



On Sep 8, 2012, at 8:12 PM, Kristopher Grey wrote:

> 
> Ah yes, Mr. Disandat negating his imagined negations again.
> 
> I never said there wasn't 'meaning', I was simply referring it back to its 
> source - AKA Pointing to the nature of this. I realize you may have trouble 
> grasping the obvious, so slice and reshuffle it so you can manage countless 
> births and deaths generated by remaining attached to your precious/meaningful 
> beliefs. You are in good company and can play this Zen is/isn't game all you 
> like with Bill! - and all the other sentient beings you know - for eight 
> million kalpas if you like.
> 
> Hell, If you keep believing you know what Zen is like a good Zennist, maybe 
> Pu Tai/Hotei will bring you presents on Buddha's birthday.
> 
> Why wait, here's one now. A  classic:
> 
> http://cmtk3.webring.org/l/rd?ring=sutralibraries;id=1;url=http%3A%2F%2Fnichirenscoffeehouse.net%2FRyuei%2FSantaMaitreya.html
> 
> KG
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/8/2012 7:31 PM, Edgar Owen wrote:
>>  
>> KG,
>> 
>> Again, Zen is NOT Nihilism nor is it meaninglessness...
>> 
>> There is meaning, not necessarily in any one thing, but in the skein of 
>> consistency of ALL things...
>> 
>> Edgar
>> 
>> On Sep 8, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Kristopher Grey wrote:
>> 
>> > On 9/8/2012 7:02 AM, Edgar Owen wrote:
>> >> People's programming causes them to commit atrocities.
>> > 
>> > If that is so, then your 'programming' controls you and causes you to 
>> > believe this is so. If this is not so, you would not express it so.
>> > 
>> > Again, this is the same error. If you realize this, such delusional 
>> > controller/controlling/controlled nonsense is effortlessly transcended 
>> > (effortlessly - as imagined separations are not closed, as they simply 
>> > have never there).
>> > 
>> > But keep talking about 'them' if you prefer. The example it provides is 
>> > a far better pointer than I can offer.
>> > 
>> > KG
>> > 
>> > 
>> > ------------------------------------
>> > 
>> > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are 
>> > reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> 
> 
> 
> 

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