Bill!, OK, lets replace the killing in my example with cheating and tax evasion you propose. Majority of people will refrain for fear of punishment, except professional swindlers. Still, reward and punishment are part and parcel of our life. You cannot avoid thinking about them. Anthony
________________________________ From: Bill! <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 8 September 2012, 17:44 Subject: Re: [Zen] christian Anthony, IMO...I'd call 'killing a person' strange. At least I'd call it 'extreme'. I have only come even the slightest bit close to that one time in my life - and that's 66+ years. IMO...I'd think a better example would be 'cheating' say on a test or on your taxes. Or being given too much change back and not bringing it to the attention of the clerk. Something like that. But it's not for me to say. It's your post and your conditions, not mine. ...Bill! --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote: > > Bill!, >  > Not at all strangest conditions. You don't often run into holistic conditions > in daily life. What I mean is if you ignore conventional wisdom, you are in > trouble. You cannot escape it by reciting your mantra 'just this'. >  > Anthony > > > ________________________________ > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, 8 September 2012, 17:21 > Subject: Re: [Zen] christian > > >  > Anthony, > > When I perform a professional service for someone I expect a reward ($$$) > unless we have an agreement otherwise. > > I don't consider killing people I hate. > > If I did kill someone (like they were about to kill my wife) fear of > punishment would not deter me. I might fear punishment AFTER I killed the > person, but without actually being in that situation I BELIEVE I would just > act without thought. > > You always come up with the STRANGEST conditions! > > Considerations of reward and punishment may certainly be 'part and parcel' of > our dualistically-driven daily lives, but not holistic Buddha Nature. > > ...Bill! > > --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu <wuasg@> wrote: > > > > Bill!, > >  > > When you do your software business, do you expect a reward? When > > you refrain from killing people you hate, do you fear punishment? So > > reward and punishment are part and parcel of life. > >  > > Anthony > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@> > > To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, 8 September 2012, 13:05 > > Subject: Re: [Zen] christian > > > > > >  > > Merle, > > > > Oh yeah. I forgot that you don't 'do' metaphors very well. > > > > What I really said was: Christianity is all about 'being good' because you > > fear punishment or hope for a reward. Both the punishment (Hell) and reward > > (Heaven) are levied on you at sometime in the future (Judgement Day). > > > > So I used the metaphors of a perpetual 'tomorrow' and the American saying > > 'the check's in the mail' to represent promises (or threats) that are > > 'supposed' to be coming you're way. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >  what check.."money money money...makes you funny"..abba song > > >  merle > > >  > > > Kris, > > > > > > All will be delivered tomorrow...the check's on the way...Bill! > > > > > > --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Kristopher Grey <kris@> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 9/7/2012 6:57 AM, Edgar Owen wrote: > > > > > Christianity is the biggest scam on the planet because it promises > > > > > everything and delivers nothing! > > > > > > > > All appears so, when one seeks from other. > > > > > > > > KG > > > > > > > > > >
