yes kris..we can operate on the principle:..know they self...unto thy self be
true..merle
"I don't believe any of it." - how could I be more clear? I'll try, but if you
already don't understand, odds are this will only make things worse.
To my knowledge I don't hold any beliefs (least of all in "I"), as
by my definition this requires attachment (impossible, see below),
though I can't be sure about it as that would be a form of
attachment.
I experience countless thoughts (knowledge of this and that,
opinions, memories, etc - all being just thoughts we think are
different things) which appear to come and go, so it appears I
'have' them. I cannot find them or show them to you. I have no
reason to believe in them, as belief is just another thought.
Thoughts come and go whether I believe I think them or not
(redundant), just as the sun rises without me believing it will.
I don't know the sun will rise. I can think in terms of
probabilities which indicate its reappearance is very likely, and
this likelihood an be quite accurately predicted. This is more
than enough. I don't need to believe it, or tell myself I know it
. One way is delusional, the other redundant - meaning they're the
same thing: empty thoughts. Nothing to attach or attach to.
Attachment itself just a thought (see: 'karma' and 'cessation').
KG
PS - Is there really need to quote wikipedia and dictionariers and
brilliant old texts to discuss such simple matters? If this is
obvious the texts sing, if not they may inspire great confusion.
On 9/8/2012 5:34 AM, Bill! wrote:
>KG,
>
>I don't understand what you are saying. You don't believe
any of what? Of what I posted my personal beliefs about
'karma'; or what Merle quoted Buddha as saying about
'karma'; or how Wikipedia defined 'karma'?.'.Bill!
>
>--- In [email protected], Kristopher Grey <kris@...> wrote:
>>
>> I can't speak for Merle, but I don't believe any of
it. What belief
>> serves to fill an imaginary lack. As for teeachings
about 'karma', if
>> the lessons are understood, there is no need to carry
them around. If
>> this is realized, it isn't even possible!
>>
>> KG
>>
>>
>> On 9/8/2012 5:03 AM, Bill! wrote:
>> >
>> > Merle,
>> >
>> > "Karma (Sanskrit:
कर्म IPA:
>> > [ˈkərmə] (
listen);[1] Pali: kamma) in Indian religions
>> > is the concept of "action" or "deed", understood
as that which causes
>> > the entire cycle of cause and effect (i.e., the
cycle called
>> > saṃsāra) originating in
ancient India and treated in the
>> > Hindu, Jain, Buddhist and Sikh religions.[2]" -
Wikipedia
>> >
>> > Now which are you going to believe? Some 3rd- or
4th-hand
>> > interpretation of a translation of something
someone thought they
>> > heard Buddha say? Or Wikipedia.com? I think(but
don't know for sure)
>> > the term 'karma' and its use as a religious
belief predates Buddha
>> > (Siddhartha) anyway...
>> >
>> > ...Bill!
>> >
>> > --- In [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>,
>> > Kristopher Grey <kris@> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > "Karma is intention" -Buddha
>> > >
>> > > On 9/8/2012 3:51 AM, Bill! wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Merle,
>> > > >
>> > > > I know a fair amount about
Christianity but know much more about
>> > > > Jesus' teachings.
>> > > >
>> > > > I think the term 'karma' means a kind
of 'spiritual cause-and-effect'.
>> > > >
>> > > > Yes, I agree with you that at least
most religions share a belief in
>> > > > these principals.
>> > > >
>> > > > ...Bill!
>> > > >
>> > > > --- In [email protected]
>> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>,
>> > > > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@>
wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Â bill... do you know anything
about christianity?.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > .jesus..
>> > > > >
>> > > > > .what do you think karma means?.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > ..all religions are linked by the
same principles.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > .merle
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Â
>> > > > > Merle,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Oh yeah. I forgot that you don't
'do' metaphors very well.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > What I really said was:
Christianity is all about 'being good'
>> > > > because you fear punishment or hope
for a reward. Both the punishment
>> > > > (Hell) and reward (Heaven) are levied
on you at sometime in the
>> > future
>> > > > (Judgement Day).
>> > > > >
>> > > > > So I used the metaphors of a
perpetual 'tomorrow' and the American
>> > > > saying 'the check's in the mail' to
represent promises (or threats)
>> > > > that are 'supposed' to be coming
you're way.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > ...Bill!
>> > > > >
>> > > > > --- In [email protected]
>> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@>
>> > wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Ã, what check.."money money
money...makes you funny"..abba song
>> > > > > > Ã, merle
>> > > > > > Ã,Â
>> > > > > > Kris,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > All will be delivered
tomorrow...the check's on the way...Bill!
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > --- In [email protected]
>> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Kristopher Grey <kris@> wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > On 9/7/2012 6:57 AM,
Edgar Owen wrote:
>> > > > > > > > Christianity is
the biggest scam on the planet because it
>> > > > promises
>> > > > > > > > everything and
delivers nothing!
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > All appears so, when
one seeks from other.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > KG
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
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