"I don't believe any of it." - how could I be more clear? I'll try, but
if you already don't understand, odds are this will only make things worse.
To my knowledge I don't hold any beliefs (least of all in "I"), as by my
definition this requires attachment (impossible, see below), though I
can't be sure about it as that would be a form of attachment.
I experience countless thoughts (knowledge of this and that, opinions,
memories, etc - all being just thoughts we think are different things)
which appear to come and go, so it appears I 'have' them. I cannot find
them or show them to you. I have no reason to believe in them, as belief
is just another thought. Thoughts come and go whether I believe I think
them or not (redundant), just as the sun rises without me believing it will.
I don't know the sun will rise. I can think in terms of probabilities
which indicate its reappearance is very likely, and this likelihood an
be quite accurately predicted. This is more than enough. I don't need to
believe it, or tell myself I know it . One way is delusional, the other
redundant - meaning they're the same thing: empty thoughts. Nothing to
attach or attach to. Attachment itself just a thought (see: 'karma' and
'cessation').
KG
PS - Is there really need to quote wikipedia and dictionariers and
brilliant old texts to discuss such simple matters? If this is obvious
the texts sing, if not they may inspire great confusion.
On 9/8/2012 5:34 AM, Bill! wrote:
KG,
I don't understand what you are saying. You don't believe any of what?
Of what I posted my personal beliefs about 'karma'; or what Merle
quoted Buddha as saying about 'karma'; or how Wikipedia defined
'karma'?.'.Bill!
--- In [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>,
Kristopher Grey <kris@...> wrote:
>
> I can't speak for Merle, but I don't believe any of it. What belief
> serves to fill an imaginary lack. As for teeachings about 'karma', if
> the lessons are understood, there is no need to carry them around. If
> this is realized, it isn't even possible!
>
> KG
>
>
> On 9/8/2012 5:03 AM, Bill! wrote:
> >
> > Merle,
> >
> > "Karma (Sanskrit: कर्म IPA:
> > [ˈkərmə] ( listen);[1] Pali: kamma) in Indian
religions
> > is the concept of "action" or "deed", understood as that which causes
> > the entire cycle of cause and effect (i.e., the cycle called
> > saṃsāra) originating in ancient India and treated in the
> > Hindu, Jain, Buddhist and Sikh religions.[2]" - Wikipedia
> >
> > Now which are you going to believe? Some 3rd- or 4th-hand
> > interpretation of a translation of something someone thought they
> > heard Buddha say? Or Wikipedia.com? I think(but don't know for sure)
> > the term 'karma' and its use as a religious belief predates Buddha
> > (Siddhartha) anyway...
> >
> > ...Bill!
> >
> > --- In [email protected]
<mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Kristopher Grey <kris@> wrote:
> > >
> > > "Karma is intention" -Buddha
> > >
> > > On 9/8/2012 3:51 AM, Bill! wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Merle,
> > > >
> > > > I know a fair amount about Christianity but know much more about
> > > > Jesus' teachings.
> > > >
> > > > I think the term 'karma' means a kind of 'spiritual
cause-and-effect'.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, I agree with you that at least most religions share a
belief in
> > > > these principals.
> > > >
> > > > ...Bill!
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected]
<mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â bill... do you know anything about christianity?.
> > > > >
> > > > > .jesus..
> > > > >
> > > > > .what do you think karma means?.
> > > > >
> > > > > ..all religions are linked by the same principles.
> > > > >
> > > > > .merle
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Merle,
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh yeah. I forgot that you don't 'do' metaphors very well.
> > > > >
> > > > > What I really said was: Christianity is all about 'being good'
> > > > because you fear punishment or hope for a reward. Both the
punishment
> > > > (Hell) and reward (Heaven) are levied on you at sometime in the
> > future
> > > > (Judgement Day).
> > > > >
> > > > > So I used the metaphors of a perpetual 'tomorrow' and the
American
> > > > saying 'the check's in the mail' to represent promises (or
threats)
> > > > that are 'supposed' to be coming you're way.
> > > > >
> > > > > ...Bill!
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [email protected]
<mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Merle Lester
<merlewiitpom@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ã, what check.."money money money...makes you
funny"..abba song
> > > > > > Ã, merle
> > > > > > Ã,Â
> > > > > > Kris,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All will be delivered tomorrow...the check's on the
way...Bill!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In [email protected]
<mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Kristopher Grey <kris@>
wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 9/7/2012 6:57 AM, Edgar Owen wrote:
> > > > > > > > Christianity is the biggest scam on the planet because it
> > > > promises
> > > > > > > > everything and delivers nothing!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > All appears so, when one seeks from other.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > KG
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
