I don't believe any of it! ...Bill!
--- In [email protected], Kristopher Grey <kris@...> wrote:
>
> "I don't believe any of it." - how could I be more clear? I'll try, but
> if you already don't understand, odds are this will only make things worse.
>
> To my knowledge I don't hold any beliefs (least of all in "I"), as by my
> definition this requires attachment (impossible, see below), though I
> can't be sure about it as that would be a form of attachment.
>
> I experience countless thoughts (knowledge of this and that, opinions,
> memories, etc - all being just thoughts we think are different things)
> which appear to come and go, so it appears I 'have' them. I cannot find
> them or show them to you. I have no reason to believe in them, as belief
> is just another thought. Thoughts come and go whether I believe I think
> them or not (redundant), just as the sun rises without me believing it will.
>
> I don't know the sun will rise. I can think in terms of probabilities
> which indicate its reappearance is very likely, and this likelihood an
> be quite accurately predicted. This is more than enough. I don't need to
> believe it, or tell myself I know it . One way is delusional, the other
> redundant - meaning they're the same thing: empty thoughts. Nothing to
> attach or attach to. Attachment itself just a thought (see: 'karma' and
> 'cessation').
>
> KG
>
> PS - Is there really need to quote wikipedia and dictionariers and
> brilliant old texts to discuss such simple matters? If this is obvious
> the texts sing, if not they may inspire great confusion.
>
>
>
> On 9/8/2012 5:34 AM, Bill! wrote:
> >
> > KG,
> >
> > I don't understand what you are saying. You don't believe any of what?
> > Of what I posted my personal beliefs about 'karma'; or what Merle
> > quoted Buddha as saying about 'karma'; or how Wikipedia defined
> > 'karma'?.'.Bill!
> >
> > --- In [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Kristopher Grey <kris@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I can't speak for Merle, but I don't believe any of it. What belief
> > > serves to fill an imaginary lack. As for teeachings about 'karma', if
> > > the lessons are understood, there is no need to carry them around. If
> > > this is realized, it isn't even possible!
> > >
> > > KG
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/8/2012 5:03 AM, Bill! wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Merle,
> > > >
> > > > "Karma (Sanskrit: कर्म IPA:
> > > > [ˈkərmə] ( listen);[1] Pali: kamma) in Indian
> > religions
> > > > is the concept of "action" or "deed", understood as that which causes
> > > > the entire cycle of cause and effect (i.e., the cycle called
> > > > saṃsāra) originating in ancient India and treated in the
> > > > Hindu, Jain, Buddhist and Sikh religions.[2]" - Wikipedia
> > > >
> > > > Now which are you going to believe? Some 3rd- or 4th-hand
> > > > interpretation of a translation of something someone thought they
> > > > heard Buddha say? Or Wikipedia.com? I think(but don't know for sure)
> > > > the term 'karma' and its use as a religious belief predates Buddha
> > > > (Siddhartha) anyway...
> > > >
> > > > ...Bill!
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected]
> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > Kristopher Grey <kris@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Karma is intention" -Buddha
> > > > >
> > > > > On 9/8/2012 3:51 AM, Bill! wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Merle,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I know a fair amount about Christianity but know much more about
> > > > > > Jesus' teachings.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think the term 'karma' means a kind of 'spiritual
> > cause-and-effect'.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, I agree with you that at least most religions share a
> > belief in
> > > > > > these principals.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ...Bill!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In [email protected]
> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Â bill... do you know anything about christianity?.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > .jesus..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > .what do you think karma means?.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ..all religions are linked by the same principles.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > .merle
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Â
> > > > > > > Merle,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Oh yeah. I forgot that you don't 'do' metaphors very well.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What I really said was: Christianity is all about 'being good'
> > > > > > because you fear punishment or hope for a reward. Both the
> > punishment
> > > > > > (Hell) and reward (Heaven) are levied on you at sometime in the
> > > > future
> > > > > > (Judgement Day).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So I used the metaphors of a perpetual 'tomorrow' and the
> > American
> > > > > > saying 'the check's in the mail' to represent promises (or
> > threats)
> > > > > > that are 'supposed' to be coming you're way.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ...Bill!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In [email protected]
> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Merle Lester
> > <merlewiitpom@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ã, what check.."money money money...makes you
> > funny"..abba song
> > > > > > > > Ã, merle
> > > > > > > > Ã,Â
> > > > > > > > Kris,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > All will be delivered tomorrow...the check's on the
> > way...Bill!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In [email protected]
> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Kristopher Grey <kris@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 9/7/2012 6:57 AM, Edgar Owen wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Christianity is the biggest scam on the planet because it
> > > > > > promises
> > > > > > > > > > everything and delivers nothing!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > All appears so, when one seeks from other.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > KG
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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