Doesn't the Old Testament always encourages the Jews to invade, conquer, torture and kill? Please let me know if I am wrong. Anthony
________________________________ From: Merle Lester <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2012, 6:44 Subject: [Zen] the gospel of.... according to the gospel of bill!..it's okay to invade... merlin Merle, That was what they did when American Indians and Australian aborigines were invaded. How would they like? Anthony From: Merle Lester <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, 19 September 2012, 15:04 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA bill..it's not nationalism as such it's culture...we all have a "right" to be who we are...imposing another way of being on another is invasion...all must be respected...how would you like it if i flew over to your house said right i'm staying and started making the rules...eh?merle Mike, I disliked the Dalai Lama's attempts at being both a political and religious leader - especially if a Buddhist. (Like I said before he actually was/is not a Buddhist but a 'Lamaist' (one who follows Lamaism). I guess you could stretch that into being a sub-set or sect of Buddhism but for me that's a bridge too far. Of course that's coming from someone who doesn't see 'zen' as exclusively as sub-set or sect of Buddhism.) Nationalism is nationalism for me. I don't see how it makes any difference if you're the larger or smaller nation. It's all problematic. I see the Chinese trying to drag a province of their country into the 21st century by trying to dispel and unseat a superstition-based theocracy that kept the vast majority of their people living in serfdom and ignorance. As a political leader the Dalai Lama has every right to resist this. As a religious leader I think his responsibility was to tend to his people's religious needs, not support and even fuel their attachments (nationalism). These two roles did not mesh well, IMO. I think now that he's relinquished his political role I might be able to warm up to him - maybe. As long as he doesn't keep encouraging his people and his clergy to continue seditious acts - like self-immolation. What's up with that? ...Bill! --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote: > > Wow, haven't been on the net for a few days and too many posts to catch up > on, so I've skim read thru them. My apologies if I don't immediately respond > to posts specifically addressed to me. I'd like to address this post tho. > > > Bill!. I notice you've always had this almost pathological hatred of the > Dalai lama and I've never understood why. Your view of him is completely at > odds with mine, and considering we usually hold similar views, I'm baffled as > to why. I see a man who says there shouldn't be hatred directed at the > colonising Chinese, that he's not calling for an independent Tibet, but that > it should have some autonomy, and who exudes Happiness even tho he's seen his > land, people and culture decimated by outside political forces (remembering > too that the west did nothing about the invasion of Tibet for decades). > What's not to like about the man? > > Also, I think there's a big difference regarding views on nationalism if > you're from a powerful state compared to one which is politically and/or > culturally threatened by a more powerful neighbour. Should we in Wales just > "accept" that our language and traditions our being eroded by English > dominance? Should Native Americans and Australians just "accept" their > position brought about by colonising powers? > > > Personally, I think a lot of the criticism directed to the Dalai Lama comes > from western cynicism and is not a true reflection of the man himself. > > Mike > > Ps I lived in Yangzhou (between Shanghai and Nanjing) for several months > teaching English. I liked China and the Chinese, but I don't understand how > you could say that Tibet is China. It's like saying the Aborigines in Western > Australia (who didn't see a white man for another 50 years) automatically > became British subjects in the act of planting a Union Flag on the Sydney > foreshore. > > > > ________________________________ > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> > To: "mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com"; <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012, 10:41 > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > >  > > >  I disagree...merle > > >  > Merle, > > If you've been to China you've been to Tibet. Tibet is part of China...Bill! > > --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > >  anthony ... i am estonian...i know the ropes > >  the tibetans want to rule their own section... so what...?.... why > > cannot they?...there are many minorities in china... > >  been to china anthony? > > been to tibet? > > merle > >  > > Merle, > >  > > No way China will give up the strategically important Tibet. Estonians are > > a completely different race than Russians. But Tibetans are from the same > > language family as the Han Chinese. What they do is only simplify the > > pronunciation from 'rdzogt tschen' to 'dzog chen'. > >  > > Anthony > > > > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> > > To: "mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com"; > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, 16 September 2012, 15:23 > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > > > >  > > > > > >  have you been to china bill!..i have been 3 times...the han chinese are > > the majority > > > > .. why are you attacking the Dalai lama?///// i know about tibet and the > > oppressive feudal regime...however i think you'd have to actually go to > > tibet to witness what is going on...the han chinese are flooding tibet...is > > that good?...estonia my home country was invaded by the russians in world > > war 2 and thanks to the allies the russians were "given " the baltic > > states...so estonia was governed by the kremlin and the russians flooded > > into estonia... since independence it is madatory that one can speak > > estonian in order to claim estonian citizenship( the russians would not > > learn the language..and the official language when the russians were in > > power was russian...it's not fun bill!..being overlorded by another > > country...so i say if the tibet wish to run their own country...then they > > should do so and change to modernise through that not have it imposed upon > > them by the han chinese... merle > > > > > >  > > Bill!, > >  > > Your remarks and quotes will make the great zombie lying in Tiananmen > > Square happy. But he would say, 'not enough, what I did dwarfs them'. > >  > > Anthony > > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@> > > To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, 15 September 2012, 10:00 > > Subject: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > > > > > > > > WOMAN LIKE CATTLE (and a lot of other information) > > > > "Tibetan Buddhism has a legacy of violence, hypocrisy, sexism, > > institutional sexual abuse, homophobia and religious rule by a dictator > > said to be a living god (the Dalai Lama) - all so the idle monk lifestyle > > could be supported by a feudal system of peasants who gave over half their > > labor/possessions. Although Chinese rule has been oppressive for the ruling > > Lamaist class and its defenders, is there ANY evidence to suggest that > > going back to rule of a feudal God-King would be better than the current > > system? Has ANY dictator ever ruled to the benefit of "his" people?" > > Source - http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/12/277073.shtml > > > > I hope these will suffice as 'evidence' of my opinions.  There are lots > > and lots of other sites and you can find them yourself by Binging > > or Goggling. > > > > ...Bill! > > >
