[Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA

Thu, 20 Sep 2012 00:14:30 -0700 

Ha!  Ha!  ...Bill!

--- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote:
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>  consider your thoughts...your leaping head first into dangerous mind 
> set...merlin
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> Merle,
> 
> What are you saying?  YOU'RE the one who said you would be coming to MY 
> HOUSE.  I'm not invading the space of anyone (unless you're standing too 
> close to me when I self-immolate)...Bill!
> 
> --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote:
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> > 
> > 
> >  really..a bit drastic..i was under the impression you were "happy" 
> > invading the space of others?..merle
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > Merle,
> > 
> > If you did that I might douse myself in gasoline and light myself on fire!  
> > That would show you a thing or two!
> > 
> > ...Bill!
> > 
> > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  bill..it's not nationalism as such it's culture...we all have a 
> > > "right" to be who we are...imposing another way of being on another is 
> > > invasion...all must be respected...how would you like it if i flew over 
> > > to your house said right i'm staying and started making the 
> > > rules...eh?merle
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > Mike,
> > > 
> > > I disliked the Dalai Lama's attempts at being both a political and 
> > > religious leader - especially if a Buddhist.  (Like I said before he 
> > > actually was/is not a Buddhist but a 'Lamaist' (one who follows Lamaism). 
> > >  I guess you could stretch that into being a sub-set or sect of Buddhism 
> > > but for me that's a bridge too far.  Of course that's coming from someone 
> > > who doesn't see 'zen' as exclusively as sub-set or sect of Buddhism.)
> > > 
> > > Nationalism is nationalism for me.  I don't see how it makes any 
> > > difference if you're the larger or smaller nation.  It's all problematic.
> > > 
> > > I see the Chinese trying to drag a province of their country into the 
> > > 21st century by trying to dispel and unseat a superstition-based 
> > > theocracy that kept the vast majority of their people living in serfdom 
> > > and ignorance.
> > > 
> > > As a political leader the Dalai Lama has every right to resist this.  As 
> > > a religious leader I think his responsibility was to tend to his people's 
> > > religious needs, not support and even fuel their attachments 
> > > (nationalism).  These two roles did not mesh well, IMO.
> > > 
> > > I think now that he's relinquished his political role I might be able to 
> > > warm up to him - maybe.  As long as he doesn't keep encouraging his 
> > > people and his clergy to continue seditious acts - like self-immolation.  
> > > What's up with that?
> > > 
> > > ...Bill!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Wow, haven't been on the net for a few days and too many posts to catch 
> > > > up on, so I've skim read thru them. My apologies if I don't immediately 
> > > > respond to posts specifically addressed to me. I'd like to address this 
> > > > post tho.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Bill!. I notice you've always had this almost pathological hatred of 
> > > > the Dalai lama and I've never understood why. Your view of him is 
> > > > completely at odds with mine, and considering we usually hold similar 
> > > > views, I'm baffled as to why. I see a man who says there shouldn't be 
> > > > hatred directed at the colonising Chinese, that he's not calling for an 
> > > > independent Tibet, but that it should have some autonomy, and who 
> > > > exudes Happiness even tho he's seen his land, people and culture 
> > > > decimated by outside political forces (remembering too that the west 
> > > > did nothing about the invasion of Tibet for decades). What's not to 
> > > > like about the man?
> > > > 
> > > > Also, I think there's a big difference regarding views on nationalism 
> > > > if you're from a powerful state compared to one which is politically 
> > > > and/or culturally threatened by a more powerful neighbour. Should we in 
> > > > Wales just "accept" that our language and traditions our being eroded 
> > > > by EnglishÃÆ'‚  dominance? Should Native Americans and 
> > > > Australians just "accept" their position brought about by colonising 
> > > > powers? 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Personally, I think a lot of the criticism directed to the Dalai Lama 
> > > > comes from western cynicism and is not a true reflection of the man 
> > > > himself.
> > > > 
> > > > Mike
> > > > 
> > > > Ps I lived in Yangzhou (between Shanghai and Nanjing) for several 
> > > > months teaching English. I liked China and the Chinese, but I don't 
> > > > understand how you could say that Tibet is China. It's like saying the 
> > > > Aborigines in Western Australia (who didn't see a white man for another 
> > > > 50 years) automatically became British subjects in the act of planting 
> > > > a Union Flag on the Sydney foreshore. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ________________________________
> > > >  From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@>
> > > > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> 
> > > > Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012, 10:41
> > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ÃÆ'‚  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ÃÆ'‚ I disagree...merle
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ÃÆ'‚  
> > > > Merle,
> > > > 
> > > > If you've been to China you've been to Tibet.  Tibet is part of 
> > > > China...Bill!
> > > > 
> > > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ anthony ... i am 
> > > > > estonian...i know the ropes
> > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ the tibetans want to rule 
> > > > > their own section... so what...?.... why cannot they?...there are 
> > > > > many minorities in china...
> > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ been to china 
> > > > > anthony?ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > > been to tibet?
> > > > > merle
> > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚  
> > > > > Merle,
> > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > > No way China will give up the strategically important Tibet. 
> > > > > Estonians are a completely different race than Russians. But Tibetans 
> > > > > are from the same language family as the Han Chinese. What they do is 
> > > > > only simplify the pronunciation 
> > > > > fromÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚  'rdzogt tschen' to 
> > > > > 'dzog chen'.
> > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > > Anthony
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@>
> > > > > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> 
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, 16 September 2012, 15:23
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚  
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ have you been to china 
> > > > > bill!..i have been 3 times...the han chinese are the majority
> > > > > 
> > > > > .. why are you attacking the Dalai lama?///// i know about tibet and 
> > > > > the oppressive feudal regime...however i think you'd have to actually 
> > > > > go to tibet to witness what is going on...the han chinese are 
> > > > > flooding tibet...is that good?...estonia my home country was invaded 
> > > > > by the russians in world war 2 and thanks to the allies the russians 
> > > > > were "given " the baltic states...so estonia was governed by the 
> > > > > kremlin and the russians flooded into estonia... since independence 
> > > > > it is madatory that one can speak estonian in order to claim estonian 
> > > > > citizenship( the russians would not learn the language..and the 
> > > > > official language when the russians were in power was russian...it's 
> > > > > not fun bill!..being overlorded by another country...so i say if the 
> > > > > tibet wish to run their own country...then they should do so and 
> > > > > change to modernise through that not have it imposed upon them by the 
> > > > > han chinese... merle
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚  
> > > > > Bill!,
> > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > > Your remarks and quotes will make the great zombie lying in Tiananmen 
> > > > > Square happy. But he would say, 'not enough, what I did dwarfs them'.
> > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > > Anthony
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@>
> > > > > To: [email protected] 
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, 15 September 2012, 10:00
> > > > > Subject: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > WOMAN LIKE CATTLE (and a lot of other information)
> > > > > 
> > > > > "Tibetan Buddhism has a legacy of violence, hypocrisy, sexism, 
> > > > > institutional sexual abuse, homophobia and religious rule by a 
> > > > > dictator said to be a living god (the Dalai Lama) - all so the idle 
> > > > > monk lifestyle could be supported by a feudal system of peasants who 
> > > > > gave over half their labor/possessions. Although Chinese rule has 
> > > > > been oppressive for the ruling Lamaist class and its defenders, is 
> > > > > there ANY evidence to suggest that going back to rule of a feudal 
> > > > > God-King would be better than the current system? Has ANY dictator 
> > > > > ever ruled to the benefit of "his" people?"
> > > > > Source 
> > > > > -ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/12/277073.shtmlÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I hope these will suffice as 'evidence' of my opinions. 
> > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ There are lots and lots of 
> > > > > other sites and you can find them yourself by Binging 
> > > > > orÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Goggling.
> > > > > 
> > > > > ...Bill!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> 



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