No bill!... i am arriving.. a total stranger..and i will give the orders..full stop!..merle
Merle, Besides...if you're using this as a metaphor (I thought you didn't 'do' metaphors) of Tibet and China, it would be more like a Mother/Father (China) going into their Son's/Daugther's (Tibet's) room and telling them no more loud music and they have to wash all their laundry - or no supper! ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > >  bill..it's not nationalism as such it's culture...we all have a "right" to > be who we are...imposing another way of being on another is invasion...all > must be respected...how would you like it if i flew over to your house said > right i'm staying and started making the rules...eh?merle > > >  > Mike, > > I disliked the Dalai Lama's attempts at being both a political and religious > leader - especially if a Buddhist. (Like I said before he actually was/is > not a Buddhist but a 'Lamaist' (one who follows Lamaism). I guess you could > stretch that into being a sub-set or sect of Buddhism but for me that's a > bridge too far. Of course that's coming from someone who doesn't see 'zen' > as exclusively as sub-set or sect of Buddhism.) > > Nationalism is nationalism for me. I don't see how it makes any difference > if you're the larger or smaller nation. It's all problematic. > > I see the Chinese trying to drag a province of their country into the 21st > century by trying to dispel and unseat a superstition-based theocracy that > kept the vast majority of their people living in serfdom and ignorance. > > As a political leader the Dalai Lama has every right to resist this. As a > religious leader I think his responsibility was to tend to his people's > religious needs, not support and even fuel their attachments (nationalism). > These two roles did not mesh well, IMO. > > I think now that he's relinquished his political role I might be able to warm > up to him - maybe. As long as he doesn't keep encouraging his people and his > clergy to continue seditious acts - like self-immolation. What's up with > that? > > ...Bill! > > > --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > > > > Wow, haven't been on the net for a few days and too many posts to catch up > > on, so I've skim read thru them. My apologies if I don't immediately > > respond to posts specifically addressed to me. I'd like to address this > > post tho. > > > > > > Bill!. I notice you've always had this almost pathological hatred of the > > Dalai lama and I've never understood why. Your view of him is completely at > > odds with mine, and considering we usually hold similar views, I'm baffled > > as to why. I see a man who says there shouldn't be hatred directed at the > > colonising Chinese, that he's not calling for an independent Tibet, but > > that it should have some autonomy, and who exudes Happiness even tho he's > > seen his land, people and culture decimated by outside political forces > > (remembering too that the west did nothing about the invasion of Tibet for > > decades). What's not to like about the man? > > > > Also, I think there's a big difference regarding views on nationalism if > > you're from a powerful state compared to one which is politically and/or > > culturally threatened by a more powerful neighbour. Should we in Wales just > > "accept" that our language and traditions our being eroded by English > > dominance? Should Native Americans and Australians just "accept" their > > position brought about by colonising powers? > > > > > > Personally, I think a lot of the criticism directed to the Dalai Lama comes > > from western cynicism and is not a true reflection of the man himself. > > > > Mike > > > > Ps I lived in Yangzhou (between Shanghai and Nanjing) for several months > > teaching English. I liked China and the Chinese, but I don't understand how > > you could say that Tibet is China. It's like saying the Aborigines in > > Western Australia (who didn't see a white man for another 50 years) > > automatically became British subjects in the act of planting a Union Flag > > on the Sydney foreshore. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> > > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012, 10:41 > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > > > >  > > > > > >  I disagree...merle > > > > > >  > > Merle, > > > > If you've been to China you've been to Tibet. Tibet is part of > > China...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >  anthony ... i am estonian...i know the ropes > > >  the tibetans want to rule their own section... so what...?.... > > > why cannot they?...there are many minorities in china... > > >  been to china anthony? > > > been to tibet? > > > merle > > >  > > > Merle, > > >  > > > No way China will give up the strategically important Tibet. Estonians > > > are a completely different race than Russians. But Tibetans are from the > > > same language family as the Han Chinese. What they do is only simplify > > > the pronunciation from 'rdzogt tschen' to 'dzog chen'. > > >  > > > Anthony > > > > > > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> > > > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Sunday, 16 September 2012, 15:23 > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >  have you been to china bill!..i have been 3 times...the han > > > chinese are the majority > > > > > > .. why are you attacking the Dalai lama?///// i know about tibet and the > > > oppressive feudal regime...however i think you'd have to actually go to > > > tibet to witness what is going on...the han chinese are flooding > > > tibet...is that good?...estonia my home country was invaded by the > > > russians in world war 2 and thanks to the allies the russians were "given > > > " the baltic states...so estonia was governed by the kremlin and the > > > russians flooded into estonia... since independence it is madatory that > > > one can speak estonian in order to claim estonian citizenship( the > > > russians would not learn the language..and the official language when the > > > russians were in power was russian...it's not fun bill!..being overlorded > > > by another country...so i say if the tibet wish to run their own > > > country...then they should do so and change to modernise through that not > > > have it imposed upon them by the han chinese... merle > > > > > > > > >  > > > Bill!, > > >  > > > Your remarks and quotes will make the great zombie lying in Tiananmen > > > Square happy. But he would say, 'not enough, what I did dwarfs them'. > > >  > > > Anthony > > > > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Saturday, 15 September 2012, 10:00 > > > Subject: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WOMAN LIKE CATTLE (and a lot of other information) > > > > > > "Tibetan Buddhism has a legacy of violence, hypocrisy, sexism, > > > institutional sexual abuse, homophobia and religious rule by a dictator > > > said to be a living god (the Dalai Lama) - all so the idle monk lifestyle > > > could be supported by a feudal system of peasants who gave over half > > > their labor/possessions. Although Chinese rule has been oppressive for > > > the ruling Lamaist class and its defenders, is there ANY evidence to > > > suggest that going back to rule of a feudal God-King would be better than > > > the current system? Has ANY dictator ever ruled to the benefit of "his" > > > people?" > > > Source > > > - http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/12/277073.shtml > > > > > > I hope these will suffice as 'evidence' of my opinions.  There > > > are lots and lots of other sites and you can find them yourself by > > > Binging or Goggling. > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > >
