consider your thoughts...your leaping head first into dangerous mind set...merlin
Merle, What are you saying? YOU'RE the one who said you would be coming to MY HOUSE. I'm not invading the space of anyone (unless you're standing too close to me when I self-immolate)...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > >  really..a bit drastic..i was under the impression you were "happy" invading > the space of others?..merle > > >  > Merle, > > If you did that I might douse myself in gasoline and light myself on fire! > That would show you a thing or two! > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > >  bill..it's not nationalism as such it's culture...we all have a "right" > > to be who we are...imposing another way of being on another is > > invasion...all must be respected...how would you like it if i flew over to > > your house said right i'm staying and started making the rules...eh?merle > > > > > >  > > Mike, > > > > I disliked the Dalai Lama's attempts at being both a political and > > religious leader - especially if a Buddhist. (Like I said before he > > actually was/is not a Buddhist but a 'Lamaist' (one who follows Lamaism). > > I guess you could stretch that into being a sub-set or sect of Buddhism but > > for me that's a bridge too far. Of course that's coming from someone who > > doesn't see 'zen' as exclusively as sub-set or sect of Buddhism.) > > > > Nationalism is nationalism for me. I don't see how it makes any difference > > if you're the larger or smaller nation. It's all problematic. > > > > I see the Chinese trying to drag a province of their country into the 21st > > century by trying to dispel and unseat a superstition-based theocracy that > > kept the vast majority of their people living in serfdom and ignorance. > > > > As a political leader the Dalai Lama has every right to resist this. As a > > religious leader I think his responsibility was to tend to his people's > > religious needs, not support and even fuel their attachments (nationalism). > > These two roles did not mesh well, IMO. > > > > I think now that he's relinquished his political role I might be able to > > warm up to him - maybe. As long as he doesn't keep encouraging his people > > and his clergy to continue seditious acts - like self-immolation. What's > > up with that? > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > > > > > > Wow, haven't been on the net for a few days and too many posts to catch > > > up on, so I've skim read thru them. My apologies if I don't immediately > > > respond to posts specifically addressed to me. I'd like to address this > > > post tho. > > > > > > > > > Bill!. I notice you've always had this almost pathological hatred of the > > > Dalai lama and I've never understood why. Your view of him is completely > > > at odds with mine, and considering we usually hold similar views, I'm > > > baffled as to why. I see a man who says there shouldn't be hatred > > > directed at the colonising Chinese, that he's not calling for an > > > independent Tibet, but that it should have some autonomy, and who exudes > > > Happiness even tho he's seen his land, people and culture decimated by > > > outside political forces (remembering too that the west did nothing about > > > the invasion of Tibet for decades). What's not to like about the man? > > > > > > Also, I think there's a big difference regarding views on nationalism if > > > you're from a powerful state compared to one which is politically and/or > > > culturally threatened by a more powerful neighbour. Should we in Wales > > > just "accept" that our language and traditions our being eroded by > > > English dominance? Should Native Americans and Australians just > > > "accept" their position brought about by colonising powers? > > > > > > > > > Personally, I think a lot of the criticism directed to the Dalai Lama > > > comes from western cynicism and is not a true reflection of the man > > > himself. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > Ps I lived in Yangzhou (between Shanghai and Nanjing) for several months > > > teaching English. I liked China and the Chinese, but I don't understand > > > how you could say that Tibet is China. It's like saying the Aborigines in > > > Western Australia (who didn't see a white man for another 50 years) > > > automatically became British subjects in the act of planting a Union Flag > > > on the Sydney foreshore. > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> > > > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012, 10:41 > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >  I disagree...merle > > > > > > > > >  > > > Merle, > > > > > > If you've been to China you've been to Tibet. Tibet is part of > > > China...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ anthony ... i am estonian...i know the ropes > > > > ÃÆ'‚ the tibetans want to rule their own section... so > > > > what...?.... why cannot they?...there are many minorities in china... > > > > ÃÆ'‚ been to china anthony?ÃÆ'‚ > > > > been to tibet? > > > > merle > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Merle, > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > No way China will give up the strategically important Tibet. Estonians > > > > are a completely different race than Russians. But Tibetans are from > > > > the same language family as the Han Chinese. What they do is only > > > > simplify the pronunciation fromÃÆ'‚ 'rdzogt tschen' to > > > > 'dzog chen'. > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Anthony > > > > > > > > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> > > > > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Sunday, 16 September 2012, 15:23 > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ have you been to china bill!..i have been 3 > > > > times...the han chinese are the majority > > > > > > > > .. why are you attacking the Dalai lama?///// i know about tibet and > > > > the oppressive feudal regime...however i think you'd have to actually > > > > go to tibet to witness what is going on...the han chinese are flooding > > > > tibet...is that good?...estonia my home country was invaded by the > > > > russians in world war 2 and thanks to the allies the russians were > > > > "given " the baltic states...so estonia was governed by the kremlin and > > > > the russians flooded into estonia... since independence it is madatory > > > > that one can speak estonian in order to claim estonian citizenship( the > > > > russians would not learn the language..and the official language when > > > > the russians were in power was russian...it's not fun bill!..being > > > > overlorded by another country...so i say if the tibet wish to run their > > > > own country...then they should do so and change to modernise through > > > > that not have it imposed upon them by the han chinese... merle > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Bill!, > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Your remarks and quotes will make the great zombie lying in Tiananmen > > > > Square happy. But he would say, 'not enough, what I did dwarfs them'. > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Anthony > > > > > > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Saturday, 15 September 2012, 10:00 > > > > Subject: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WOMAN LIKE CATTLE (and a lot of other information) > > > > > > > > "Tibetan Buddhism has a legacy of violence, hypocrisy, sexism, > > > > institutional sexual abuse, homophobia and religious rule by a dictator > > > > said to be a living god (the Dalai Lama) - all so the idle monk > > > > lifestyle could be supported by a feudal system of peasants who gave > > > > over half their labor/possessions. Although Chinese rule has been > > > > oppressive for the ruling Lamaist class and its defenders, is there ANY > > > > evidence to suggest that going back to rule of a feudal God-King would > > > > be better than the current system? Has ANY dictator ever ruled to the > > > > benefit of "his" people?" > > > > Source > > > > -ÃÆ'‚ http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/12/277073.shtmlÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > I hope these will suffice as 'evidence' of my opinions. > > > > ÃÆ'‚ There are lots and lots of other sites and you can > > > > find them yourself by Binging orÃÆ'‚ Goggling. > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > >
