my fav film is zorba the greek...you seen it?..and "underground."..a
yugoslavian film..merle
Yes, I saw that one too..
Edgar
On Sep 21, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
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>dunes."..well worth a visit.
>..the sand plays the part of the muck in the pond...beautiful very moving
>film... merle
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>Reminds me of an old Japanese movie I saw long ago where the master made the
>disciple shiver all night up to his neck in the muck in a pond.
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>When the sun rose a lotus flower opened and at that so did the disciple's
>mind..
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>On Sep 21, 2012, at 5:28 PM, 覺妙精明 （JMJM） wrote:
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>>Well Merle. Nicely said. Also sounds simple and wunderbar. For a lotus to
>>blossom however, lots of mud is needed. If we pick and choose in the mud,
>>there will be insufficient nutrients. :-)
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>>On 9/21/2012 2:18 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
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>>>JM...yes yes yes open the heart and the lotus will be there....... merle
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>>>Indeed, KG. Thank you.
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>>>We use the following instructions -- "Focus
and not focus. Observe all and every." Then
you see the wisdom in all.
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>>>Even during chakra focusing, it is not a
mental focusing. We need to relax the mind,
in order to sense with our heart. Heart is
where our spirit reside. Pure heart means
pure awareness.
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>>>Again, a few people, such as Anthony or Bill
may "disagree" as usual. :-) It's actually an
experience and not a dogma.
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>>>Newest translation of an old saying(probably
version 7), of this phrase from Buddha, "Cast
not in words. Transmit beyond teaching."
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>>>BTW, my team is working on translating
"Practice and Witness Diamond Sutra" from our
Shifu. I know. I know. It's courageous. If
there is any online version of Diamond Sutra
you sync with, please share with me. Much
obliged.
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>>>jm
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>>>On 9/21/2012 9:18 AM, Kristopher Grey wrote:
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>>>>When we think of 'mindfulness', we may
think of not being distracted, but
distraction fills the mind just as
effectively. Silence, is the ultimate
distraction.
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>>>>Concentration or distraction, different in
form only. Both are moments of attention
to this and not that, in that moment, then
gone. Effort applied to cultivate
mindfulness is often merely a distraction
from distractions. Mindfulness presents
formlessly in all forms. Attempts to be
mindful, to wrest it from the rest,
naturally will fail to grasp this.
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>>>>Concentration cannot free the mind,
distraction cannot hold it. Thoughts come
and go effortlessly. This is not a
problem. Following them or ignoring them,
grasping and rejecting them - in relation
to self - reveals ordinary mind's habitual
ignorance of Original mind.
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>>>>Mindfulness allows dis-tractions to serve
as reminders not to seek traction.
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>>>>KG
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>>>>On 9/21/2012 1:51 AM, Anthony Wu wrote:
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>>>>>Bill!,
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>>>>>Some guests are stubborn. You can tell them you are busy or write down
>>>>>what they want, they still insist on sitting on your sofa and making tea
>>>>>out of your teapot. Master Seung Sahn has a koan where a burly man keeps
>>>>>dropping ash on a Buddha image, and nothing can dissuage them. He is also
>>>>>strong that there is no way you or your family can beat him. What should
>>>>>you do? I have not had the answer to this koan.
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>>>>>Anthony
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>>>>>From: Bill! <[email protected]>
>>>>>To: [email protected]
>>>>>Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012, 9:40
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Zen] invasion
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>>>>>Anthony,
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>>>>>I was always told to just
let the thoughts 'flow
through you', acknowledge
them but then let them go.
The teaching analogy that
went with this is 'when
you're busy working in
your house and someone
comes and knocks on your
door, acknowledge them but
tell them you're busy and
ask them to come back
later. Don't invite them
in for tea and a
conversation.'
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>>>>>Some zen practitioners I
know suggest keeping a
notebook and pen/pencil
near you when you
meditate. That way if a
thought comes that you
just cannot get rid of you
can write it down, and
then can go back to
meditating with the
assurance you will attend
to the thought later.
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>>>>>I've never done that nor
felt the need to do that,
but it might be worth a
try if these
thoughts/questions are
keeping you from
meditating.
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>>>>>...Bill!
>>>>>
>>>>>--- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote:
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>>>>>> KG,
>>>>>> Â
>>>>>> Some say you should
not suppress questions
when you meditate, but let
them come and go. Well
they come here to stay. It
takes time and effort to
make them disappear.
>>>>>> Â
>>>>>> Anthony
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>>>>>> From: Kristopher Grey <kris@...>
>>>>>> To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 20
September 2012, 9:38
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Zen]
invasion
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>>>>>> Same problem is
created by attachment to
thinking "well" applies to
meditation! *L*
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>>>>>> Your "tip", perhaps
pointier than it may
appear! ;)
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>>>>>> KG
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>>>>>> On 9/19/2012 6:09 PM,
Anthony Wu wrote:
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>>>>>> >Merle,
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>>>>>> >I give yo a tip.
If you always want
questions to be answered,
you can never meditate
well.
>>>>>> >Â
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