Yes, I saw that one too.. Edgar
On Sep 21, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Merle Lester wrote: > > edgar.... yes yes yes, > > .. this reminded me.. did you ever see japanese film.?.." woman of the > dunes."..well worth a visit. > ..the sand plays the part of the muck in the pond...beautiful very moving > film... merle > > > JM and Merle, > > Reminds me of an old Japanese movie I saw long ago where the master made the > disciple shiver all night up to his neck in the muck in a pond. > > When the sun rose a lotus flower opened and at that so did the disciple's > mind.. > > Edgar > > > > On Sep 21, 2012, at 5:28 PM, 覺妙精明 （JMJM） wrote: > >> >> Well Merle. Nicely said. Also sounds simple and wunderbar. For a lotus to >> blossom however, lots of mud is needed. If we pick and choose in the mud, >> there will be insufficient nutrients. :-) >> >> >> On 9/21/2012 2:18 PM, Merle Lester wrote: >>> >>> >>> JM...yes yes yes open the heart and the lotus will be there....... merle >>> >>> >>> Indeed, KG. Thank you. >>> >>> We use the following instructions -- "Focus and not focus. Observe all and >>> every." Then you see the wisdom in all. >>> >>> Even during chakra focusing, it is not a mental focusing. We need to relax >>> the mind, in order to sense with our heart. Heart is where our spirit >>> reside. Pure heart means pure awareness. >>> >>> Again, a few people, such as Anthony or Bill may "disagree" as usual. >>> :-) It's actually an experience and not a dogma. >>> >>> Newest translation of an old saying(probably version 7), of this phrase >>> from Buddha, "Cast not in words. Transmit beyond teaching." >>> >>> BTW, my team is working on translating "Practice and Witness Diamond Sutra" >>> from our Shifu. I know. I know. It's courageous. If there is any online >>> version of Diamond Sutra you sync with, please share with me. Much >>> obliged. >>> >>> jm >>> >>> On 9/21/2012 9:18 AM, Kristopher Grey wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> When we think of 'mindfulness', we may think of not being distracted, but >>>> distraction fills the mind just as effectively. Silence, is the ultimate >>>> distraction. >>>> >>>> Concentration or distraction, different in form only. Both are moments of >>>> attention to this and not that, in that moment, then gone. Effort applied >>>> to cultivate mindfulness is often merely a distraction from distractions. >>>> Mindfulness presents formlessly in all forms. Attempts to be mindful, to >>>> wrest it from the rest, naturally will fail to grasp this. >>>> >>>> Concentration cannot free the mind, distraction cannot hold it. Thoughts >>>> come and go effortlessly. This is not a problem. Following them or >>>> ignoring them, grasping and rejecting them - in relation to self - reveals >>>> ordinary mind's habitual ignorance of Original mind. >>>> >>>> Mindfulness allows dis-tractions to serve as reminders not to seek >>>> traction. >>>> >>>> KG >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9/21/2012 1:51 AM, Anthony Wu wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Bill!, >>>>> >>>>> Some guests are stubborn. You can tell them you are busy or write down >>>>> what they want, they still insist on sitting on your sofa and making tea >>>>> out of your teapot. Master Seung Sahn has a koan where a burly man keeps >>>>> dropping ash on a Buddha image, and nothing can dissuage them. He is also >>>>> strong that there is no way you or your family can beat him. What should >>>>> you do? I have not had the answer to this koan. >>>>> >>>>> Anthony >>>>> >>>>> From: Bill! <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012, 9:40 >>>>> Subject: Re: [Zen] invasion >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Anthony, >>>>> >>>>> I was always told to just let the thoughts 'flow through you', >>>>> acknowledge them but then let them go. The teaching analogy that went >>>>> with this is 'when you're busy working in your house and someone comes >>>>> and knocks on your door, acknowledge them but tell them you're busy and >>>>> ask them to come back later. Don't invite them in for tea and a >>>>> conversation.' >>>>> >>>>> Some zen practitioners I know suggest keeping a notebook and pen/pencil >>>>> near you when you meditate. That way if a thought comes that you just >>>>> cannot get rid of you can write it down, and then can go back to >>>>> meditating with the assurance you will attend to the thought later. >>>>> >>>>> I've never done that nor felt the need to do that, but it might be worth >>>>> a try if these thoughts/questions are keeping you from meditating. >>>>> >>>>> ...Bill! >>>>> >>>>> --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > KG, >>>>> > Â >>>>> > Some say you should not suppress questions when you meditate, but let >>>>> > them come and go. Well they come here to stay. It takes time and effort >>>>> > to make them disappear. >>>>> > Â >>>>> > Anthony >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > ________________________________ >>>>> > From: Kristopher Grey <kris@...> >>>>> > To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com >>>>> > Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2012, 9:38 >>>>> > Subject: Re: [Zen] invasion >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Â >>>>> > Same problem is created by attachment to thinking "well" applies to >>>>> > meditation! *L* >>>>> > >>>>> > Your "tip", perhaps pointier than it may appear! ;) >>>>> > >>>>> > KG >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On 9/19/2012 6:09 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Â >>>>> > >Merle, >>>>> > >Â >>>>> > >I give yo a tip. If you always want questions to be answered, you can >>>>> > >never meditate well. >>>>> > >Â >>>>> > >Anthony >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > >
