Bill et al,

Roger Penrose originated a quantum theory of consciousness which claims 
consciousness arises because certain neural processes operate at the quantum 
level.

It's a nonsense theory...

Edgar



On Oct 10, 2012, at 5:12 AM, Bill! wrote:

> Jim,
> 
> This all sounds like a bunch of gobbedy-gook to me. For example I've never 
> heard of a 'quantum theory of consciousness' nor do can I conceive of such a 
> thing. Besides affirming to you that all of these concepts are illusory and 
> even if they are discussed in some circle have nothing to do with Buddha 
> Nature, I'll defer on the rest of this to Edgar and maybe Joe, and anyone 
> else who wants to take it on.
> 
> ...Bill! 
> 
> --- In [email protected], "jfnewell7" <jfnewell7@...> wrote:
> >
> > One:: I am assuming that since consciousness and the physical exchange 
> > energy, they must have serious commonalities, such as having the same 
> > ground or one being the ground of the other. 
> > 
> > Does this assumption seem reasonable?
> > 
> > Two:: The expansion of space itself seems to be accelerating due to a not 
> > understood cause called dark energy at the moment.
> > 
> > My impression is that the acceleration in the expansion of space is orderly 
> > to the point of seeming coordinated over a few billion light years. 
> > 
> > Does that in fact fit the astronomical data?
> > 
> > Three:: The bending of space involves more stretching on the outside of the 
> > curve than one the inside of a curve, which gravitational lensing involves 
> > galaxies as well as smaller bodies. The bending seems to be orderly to the 
> > point of seeming coordinated across on the order of as much as 100,000 
> > light years. 
> > 
> > Does this in fact fit the astronomical data?
> > 
> > Four:: If the above processes are in fact orderly, how could that happen?
> > 
> > Five:: To be able to expand and bend, space must have an adequately low 
> > level of stiffness. 
> > 
> > Does this seem true?
> > 
> > Six:: If space isn't stiff enough, it couldn't coordinate itself by a 
> > process of or in space over the great distances noted above. If space were 
> > too stiff, it couldn't expand and bend to begin with. 
> > 
> > Is there a level of space which could explain the orderliness over great 
> > distances of the expansion and bending of space? If so, the analysis ends 
> > here. If not, see below.
> > 
> > Seven:: The quantum theory of consciousness holds that the effects 
> > propagate faster than the speed of light. If that is true, then the quantum 
> > processes transcend the aspect of space which involves the speed of light.
> > 
> > Does that seem reasonable?
> > 
> > Eight:: A transcendent process propagating faster than the speed of light 
> > might be able to coordinate the expansion and bending of space even when 
> > space could not coordinate its own expansion and bending over the long 
> > distances discussed above. 
> > 
> > Does this seem like a reasonable possibility?
> > 
> > Nine:: Such a quantum process is the only explanation I can see at the 
> > moment, which tends to confirm it, but something new might be discovered in 
> > the future.
> > 
> > Does that seem to be reasonable?
> > 
> > Ten: If the same quantum processes are involved with consciousness, which 
> > involves the Buddha-nature, and also involves the expansion and bending of 
> > space over long distances, then there is a deep connection between the 
> > Buddha-nature and the expansion and bending of space over long distances.
> > 
> > Does that logical step seem reasonable?
> > 
> > Jim
> >
> 
> 

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