I'm more interested in qualta than quanta...Bill!
--- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote:
>
> Bill et al,
>
> Roger Penrose originated a quantum theory of consciousness which claims
> consciousness arises because certain neural processes operate at the quantum
> level.
>
> It's a nonsense theory...
>
> Edgar
>
>
>
> On Oct 10, 2012, at 5:12 AM, Bill! wrote:
>
> > Jim,
> >
> > This all sounds like a bunch of gobbedy-gook to me. For example I've never
> > heard of a 'quantum theory of consciousness' nor do can I conceive of such
> > a thing. Besides affirming to you that all of these concepts are illusory
> > and even if they are discussed in some circle have nothing to do with
> > Buddha Nature, I'll defer on the rest of this to Edgar and maybe Joe, and
> > anyone else who wants to take it on.
> >
> > ...Bill!
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "jfnewell7" <jfnewell7@> wrote:
> > >
> > > One:: I am assuming that since consciousness and the physical exchange
> > > energy, they must have serious commonalities, such as having the same
> > > ground or one being the ground of the other.
> > >
> > > Does this assumption seem reasonable?
> > >
> > > Two:: The expansion of space itself seems to be accelerating due to a not
> > > understood cause called dark energy at the moment.
> > >
> > > My impression is that the acceleration in the expansion of space is
> > > orderly to the point of seeming coordinated over a few billion light
> > > years.
> > >
> > > Does that in fact fit the astronomical data?
> > >
> > > Three:: The bending of space involves more stretching on the outside of
> > > the curve than one the inside of a curve, which gravitational lensing
> > > involves galaxies as well as smaller bodies. The bending seems to be
> > > orderly to the point of seeming coordinated across on the order of as
> > > much as 100,000 light years.
> > >
> > > Does this in fact fit the astronomical data?
> > >
> > > Four:: If the above processes are in fact orderly, how could that happen?
> > >
> > > Five:: To be able to expand and bend, space must have an adequately low
> > > level of stiffness.
> > >
> > > Does this seem true?
> > >
> > > Six:: If space isn't stiff enough, it couldn't coordinate itself by a
> > > process of or in space over the great distances noted above. If space
> > > were too stiff, it couldn't expand and bend to begin with.
> > >
> > > Is there a level of space which could explain the orderliness over great
> > > distances of the expansion and bending of space? If so, the analysis ends
> > > here. If not, see below.
> > >
> > > Seven:: The quantum theory of consciousness holds that the effects
> > > propagate faster than the speed of light. If that is true, then the
> > > quantum processes transcend the aspect of space which involves the speed
> > > of light.
> > >
> > > Does that seem reasonable?
> > >
> > > Eight:: A transcendent process propagating faster than the speed of light
> > > might be able to coordinate the expansion and bending of space even when
> > > space could not coordinate its own expansion and bending over the long
> > > distances discussed above.
> > >
> > > Does this seem like a reasonable possibility?
> > >
> > > Nine:: Such a quantum process is the only explanation I can see at the
> > > moment, which tends to confirm it, but something new might be discovered
> > > in the future.
> > >
> > > Does that seem to be reasonable?
> > >
> > > Ten: If the same quantum processes are involved with consciousness, which
> > > involves the Buddha-nature, and also involves the expansion and bending
> > > of space over long distances, then there is a deep connection between the
> > > Buddha-nature and the expansion and bending of space over long distances.
> > >
> > > Does that logical step seem reasonable?
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> >
> >
>
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