Merle, Yes, KG seems obsessively attached to this discussion and why destroying the planet is OK... :-)
Edgar On Oct 10, 2012, at 5:56 PM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > hey hey lads...settle down..calm please!...KG your loosing the pulse..merle > > > Yes, yes. That you hold a great many things to be of high importance is > obvious to all but you. Thus you assume others are are talking about such > things, and assume they are ignorant of same, when they are only talking > about your ignorant attachments to these forms of divisive thinking. > > KG > > On 10/10/2012 11:27 AM, Edgar Owen wrote: >> >> KG, >> >> I find it appalling you support the destruction of the planet by humans and >> attack those who argue against it... >> >> The lowest of the low... >> >> Edgar >> >> >> >> On Oct 10, 2012, at 10:52 AM, Kristopher Grey wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Definitive dependency - in other words you frame this in a self-supporting >>> way. The way a child argues when trying to sound all grown up. You might as >>> well just say: >>> >>> "You are a stupid baby! Stop being such a stupid baby!" *L* >>> >>> No one is denying 'reality' but you Edgar. You are perverting others words >>> to fit your preconceptions. You frame things as being out of >>> control/needing to be controlled - which is the very divisive attitude that >>> causes all the shit you find so wrong in the world. >>> >>> Opposition distracts. >>> >>> KG >>> >>> >>> On 10/10/2012 6:47 AM, Edgar Owen wrote: >>>> >>>> Bill, >>>> >>>> By your perverted logic it is totally OK for man to be destroying the >>>> planet because that's just a natural process. >>>> >>>> Grow up and get real. Zen is not clever sophisms, it's reality... >>>> >>>> Edgar >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 10, 2012, at 6:20 AM, Bill! wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Edgar, >>>>> >>>>> What's REALLY important is that it's been framed wrong. It's been framed >>>>> as humans vs. nature, or as you put it humans 'interfering' in nature. As >>>>> long as humans think they are not part of nature and taht all their >>>>> action are natural there will be this problem. >>>>> >>>>> When a beaver builds a dam is that interfering with nature? When a >>>>> squirrel shits in the woods is that interfering with nature? When a human >>>>> splits an atom is that interfering with nature? When a human manipulates >>>>> DNA is that interfering with nature? >>>>> >>>>> What is the quality that humans have that other animals don't have that >>>>> renders them capable of interference - IYO? (I just made that up, IYO = >>>>> 'in your opinion') >>>>> >>>>> ...Bill! >>>>> >>>>> --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Come on Bill. >>>>> > >>>>> > In human discourse about Man's impact on nature, that's the way it's >>>>> > defined, and the whole issue is framed, as you well know... >>>>> > >>>>> > Edgar >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Oct 9, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Bill! wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > > Edgar, >>>>> > > >>>>> > > This was a VERY SERIOUS response. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Why is it that you think the things that humans do are 'unnatural' or >>>>> > > against nature but the things that other life does is 'natural' and >>>>> > > okay? A friend of mine very wisely (IMO)once suggested that all >>>>> > > ethics should be applied to humans and other life forms equally. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > What is the quality that you believe separates humans from the rest >>>>> > > of nature so that human activities and artifacts can be labeled as >>>>> > > 'interference'? >>>>> > > >>>>> > > ...Bill! >>>>> > > >>>>> > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > Joe, >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > Come on, it's a serious issue... >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > Edgar >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > On Oct 9, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Joe wrote: >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > > Edgar, >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > And Humans are just the tip of the iceberg, too. >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > I don't know why plants and animals insist on interfering with >>>>> > > > > the way Nature works. >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > For example, on the early earth there was a nice atmosphere >>>>> > > > > without oxygen. But blasted Cyanobacteria evolved which like to >>>>> > > > > sip the methane and other gases there were back then, and started >>>>> > > > > polluting the atmosphere with ...Oxygen! >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > Then -- wouldn't you know -- other organisms formed which turned >>>>> > > > > CO2 into even MORE Oxygen, with a help from light from the Sun. >>>>> > > > > The nerve! They got away with it, though, because there were no >>>>> > > > > Police. The rug was pulled out from under Nature yet again! >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > Later, some animals evolved, which USE the oxygen. >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > Much later, some of these animals of the Mammal variety called >>>>> > > > > "Beavers" began to INSIST that they interfere with the stately >>>>> > > > > FLOW of river tributaries and streams, by ...damming them up! >>>>> > > > > Such nerve. You may be sure that this caused inundations >>>>> > > > > upstream, and occasional floods downstream when the dams burst. >>>>> > > > > Havoc. Bye, bye, Nature! >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > The nerve of these organisms: Micro-organisms, Plants, and >>>>> > > > > Animals. Always interfering with the way Nature works! >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > At least on the Moon there is no such interference, there's just >>>>> > > > > a continual, thin, rain of meteorites pummeling the surface, and >>>>> > > > > no atmosphere to make things rust. >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > Oops!, some exotic Mammals left some footprints on the Moon, and >>>>> > > > > some machinery, during the last fifty years. WHY must there >>>>> > > > > always be such interference? The Moon had been Nature's nice, >>>>> > > > > quiet, haven for rock and dust for so long. Why must things >>>>> > > > > always go downhill? >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > --Joe >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > > On 10/7/2012 9:26 PM, Edgar Owen wrote: >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > Why do humans always insist on interfering with the way >>>>> > > > > > > nature works? >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > > > >
