is that so KG? merle
Don't get hypertensive on me Merle! Diastolic, systolic - one appearing higher,
one lower - waves in same flow.
If I appear to you to be on to or off of this or that, that's just
your shaky finger tracing a not so flat line under the words.
KG
On 10/10/2012 5:56 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
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> hey hey lads...settle down..calm please!...KG your loosing the pulse..merle
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>
>
>Yes, yes. That you hold a great many things to be of high importance is
>obvious to all but you. Thus you assume others are are talking about such
>things, and assume they are ignorant of same, when they are only talking about
>your ignorant attachments to these forms of divisive thinking.
>
>KG
>
>On 10/10/2012 11:27 AM, Edgar Owen wrote:
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>>KG,
>>
>>
>>I find it appalling you support the destruction of the planet by humans and
>>attack those who argue against it...
>>
>>
>>The lowest of the low...
>>
>>
>>Edgar
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>>
>>On Oct 10, 2012, at 10:52 AM, Kristopher Grey wrote:
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>>>Definitive dependency - in other words you frame this in a self-supporting
>>>way. The way a child argues when trying to sound all grown up. You might as
>>>well just say:
>>>
>>>"You are a stupid baby! Stop
being such a stupid baby!" *L*
>>>
>>>No one is denying 'reality' but
you Edgar. You are perverting
others words to fit your
preconceptions. You frame things
as being out of control/needing
to be controlled - which is the
very divisive attitude that
causes all the shit you find so
wrong in the world.
>>>
>>>Opposition distracts.
>>>
>>>KG
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>>>
>>>On 10/10/2012 6:47 AM, Edgar
Owen wrote:
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>>>>Bill,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>By your perverted logic it is totally OK for man to be destroying the
>>>>planet because that's just a natural process.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Grow up and get real. Zen is not clever sophisms, it's reality...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Edgar
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Oct 10, 2012, at 6:20 AM, Bill! wrote:
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>>>>
>>>>>Edgar,
>>>>>
>>>>>What's REALLY
important is that
it's been framed
wrong. It's been
framed as humans
vs. nature, or as
you put it humans
'interfering' in
nature. As long as
humans think they
are not part of
nature and taht
all their action
are natural there
will be this
problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>When a beaver
builds a dam is
that interfering
with nature? When
a squirrel shits
in the woods is
that interfering
with nature? When
a human splits an
atom is that
interfering with
nature? When a
human manipulates
DNA is that
interfering with
nature?
>>>>>
>>>>>What is the
quality that
humans have that
other animals
don't have that
renders them
capable of
interference -
IYO? (I just made
that up, IYO = 'in
your opinion')
>>>>>
>>>>>...Bill!
>>>>>
>>>>>--- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Come on Bill.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In human
discourse about
Man's impact on
nature, that's the
way it's defined,
and the whole
issue is framed,
as you well
know...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Edgar
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 9,
2012, at 8:45 PM,
Bill! wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Edgar,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > This was
a VERY SERIOUS
response.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Why is
it that you think
the things that
humans do are
'unnatural' or
against nature but
the things that
other life does is
'natural' and
okay? A friend of
mine very wisely
(IMO)once
suggested that all
ethics should be
applied to humans
and other life
forms equally.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > What is
the quality that
you believe
separates humans
from the rest of
nature so that
human activities
and artifacts can
be labeled as
'interference'?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > ...Bill!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote:
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
Joe,
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
Come on, it's a
serious issue...
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
Edgar
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > On
Oct 9, 2012, at
11:26 AM, Joe
wrote:
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
> Edgar,
>>>>>> > >
>
>>>>>> > >
> And Humans
are just the tip
of the iceberg,
too.
>>>>>> > >
>
>>>>>> > >
> I don't know
why plants and
animals insist on
interfering with
the way Nature
works.
>>>>>> > >
>
>>>>>> > >
> For example,
on the early earth
there was a nice
atmosphere without
oxygen. But
blasted
Cyanobacteria
evolved which like
to sip the methane
and other gases
there were back
then, and started
polluting the
atmosphere with
...Oxygen!
>>>>>> > >
>
>>>>>> > >
> Then --
wouldn't you know
-- other organisms
formed which
turned CO2 into
even MORE Oxygen,
with a help from
light from the
Sun. The nerve!
They got away with
it, though,
because there were
no Police. The rug
was pulled out
from under Nature
yet again!
>>>>>> > >
>
>>>>>> > >
> Later, some
animals evolved,
which USE the
oxygen.
>>>>>> > >
>
>>>>>> > >
> Much later,
some of these
animals of the
Mammal variety
called "Beavers"
began to INSIST
that they
interfere with the
stately FLOW of
river tributaries
and streams, by
...damming them
up! Such nerve.
You may be sure
that this caused
inundations
upstream, and
occasional floods
downstream when
the dams burst.
Havoc. Bye, bye,
Nature!
>>>>>> > >
>
>>>>>> > >
> The nerve of
these organisms:
Micro-organisms,
Plants, and
Animals. Always
interfering with
the way Nature
works!
>>>>>> > >
>
>>>>>> > >
> At least on
the Moon there is
no such
interference,
there's just a
continual, thin,
rain of meteorites
pummeling the
surface, and no
atmosphere to make
things rust.
>>>>>> > >
>
>>>>>> > >
> Oops!, some
exotic Mammals
left some
footprints on the
Moon, and some
machinery, during
the last fifty
years. WHY must
there always be
such interference?
The Moon had been
Nature's nice,
quiet, haven for
rock and dust for
so long. Why must
things always go
downhill?
>>>>>> > >
>
>>>>>> > >
> --Joe
>>>>>> > >
>
>>>>>> > >
> > On
10/7/2012 9:26 PM,
Edgar Owen wrote:
>>>>>> > >
>
>>>>>> > >
> > > Why
do humans always
insist on
interfering with
the way nature
works?
>>>>>> > >
>
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>
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