I'm with you on that, it's just that an intentional, unjustified killing will more than paint the window - it'll double-coat it, board it up and concrete over it. I do recognise that it can be undone covered tho. Asoka being a person who springs to mind.
________________________________ From: Kristopher Grey <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2012, 11:30 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: I need some practice advice Not for me to say Mike. I mean nothing by it, it's just what came - and went. A reflection that peace cannot be shattered, only our window on it, set in its rigid frame. Some windows are clear, some painted over. It can be more surprising when apparent clarity breaks (as we see the paint and only see through the glass). KG On 10/11/2012 6:21 AM, mike brown wrote: >Kris, > >Not completely sure what you mean in this post. I take it that you mean witnessing a murder is a powerful experience (It is/was). But whose attachment and to what? > >Mike > > > > > > >Powerful experiences, powerful attachments. Shattering into pieces, revealing this was never lacking. > >KG > > > >On 10/10/2012 6:17 PM, mike brown wrote: > > >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> From: Kristopher Grey <[email protected]> >>To: [email protected] >>Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2012, 15:58 >> >>Compassion to me is when love meets suffering. Clearly an unrepentant killer (as opposed to someone who has killed) fails the definition. >> >>The kind of peace a killer might find isn't the kind of peace I'm talking about either, which is the peace born from being free from the 5 Hindrances. This isn't an assumpmtion/projection, but is born from experience (I'm ex-infantry and have seen murder committed not 10 feet away from me). Even thoughts of violence shatter this peace. >> >>Mike >> >> >> >>To say a killer will never know peace? Part presumption, part projection. >>Emanating from a kind heart perhaps, but compassion doesn't bother with/isn't >>bothered by this. >> >>KG >> >> >>On 10/10/2012 6:57 AM, mike brown wrote: >> >> >>>Edgar, >>> >>> >>>We're all going to die - it's how we live our life up to that point (there >>>is no 'after' death, or indeed any such thing as 'death' to feel bad about >>>being killed anyway). Yes, I'd rather be killed than be the killer. A killer >>>will never know peace. >>> >>> >>>>Get real! >>> >>> >>>Keeping it real. >>> >>> >>>Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>________________________________ >>> From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]> >>>To: [email protected] >>>Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2012, 11:45 >>>Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: I need some practice advice >>> >>> >>> >>>Mike, >>> >>> >>>Total crap! >>> >>> >>>OK, let's put it to the test. I'll send someone over to kill you and then >>>I'll feel bad about it. >>> >>> >>>Will you opt out because of your life or me feeling bad about it? >>> >>> >>>Get real! >>> >>> >>>Edgar >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>On Oct 10, 2012, at 5:34 AM, mike brown wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Edgar, >>>> >>>>>It matters to the animals which is much more important ..... >>>> >>>>I'm not so sure. I think it could be said that a person who causes death, or injury, to another actually suffers more than the person/animal harmed. But then again, I'm an old school First Noble Truth kinda guy. >>>> >>>>Mike >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>________________________________ >>>> From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]> >>>>To: [email protected] >>>>Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2012, 0:59 >>>>Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: I need some practice advice >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>KG, >>>> >>>> >>>>How egocentric! >>>> >>>> >>>>It matters to the animals which is much more important ..... >>>> >>>> >>>>Edgar >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>On Oct 9, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Kristopher Grey wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>FWIW - 'I' am my "indoor pet" and, yes I am surgically sterilized. >>>>> >>>>>What people do wth animals is of less concern than the shit they tell themselves to justify it. Until that's sorted out, the rest is an ego fest. >>>>> >>>>>KG >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On 10/9/2012 11:40 AM, Joe wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Edgar, >>>>>> >>>>>>My indoor pets are neutered. Aren't yours? >>>>>> >>>>>>You may be an animal-breeder, then; a lucrative vocation/avocation. >>>>>> >>>>>>--Joe >>>>>> >>>>>>PS You must be a vegetarian then if you are not a cannibal, or Zombie. >>>>>> >>>>>>PPS May I visit you in the stir for stepping on that ant? >>>>>> >>>>>>> Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Joe and Merle, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any valid ethical principle must apply equally well to both humans and other species.... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > >
