To say a killer will never know peace? Part presumption, part projection. Emanating from a kind heart perhaps, but compassion doesn't bother with/isn't bothered by this.

KG


On 10/10/2012 6:57 AM, mike brown wrote:
Edgar,

We're all going to die - it's how we live our life up to that point (there is no 'after' death, or indeed any such thing as 'death' to feel bad about being killed anyway). Yes, I'd rather be killed than be the killer. A killer will never know peace.

>Get real!

Keeping it real.

Mike


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*From:* Edgar Owen <[email protected]>
*To:* [email protected]
*Sent:* Wednesday, 10 October 2012, 11:45
*Subject:* Re: [Zen] Re: I need some practice advice

Mike,

Total crap!

OK, let's put it to the test. I'll send someone over to kill you and then I'll feel bad about it.

Will you opt out because of your life or me feeling bad about it?

Get real!

Edgar



On Oct 10, 2012, at 5:34 AM, mike brown wrote:


Edgar,

>It matters to the animals which is much more important .....

I'm not so sure. I think it could be said that a person who causes death, or injury, to another actually suffers more than the person/animal harmed. But then again, I'm an old school First Noble Truth kinda guy.

Mike


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*From:* Edgar Owen <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Wednesday, 10 October 2012, 0:59
*Subject:* Re: [Zen] Re: I need some practice advice

KG,

How egocentric!

It matters to the animals which is much more important .....

Edgar



On Oct 9, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Kristopher Grey wrote:


FWIW - 'I' am my "indoor pet" and, yes I am surgically sterilized.

What people do wth animals is of less concern than the shit they tell themselves to justify it. Until that's sorted out, the rest is an ego fest.

KG





On 10/9/2012 11:40 AM, Joe wrote:
Edgar,

My indoor pets are neutered. Aren't yours?

You may be an animal-breeder, then; a lucrative vocation/avocation.

--Joe

PS You must be a vegetarian then if you are not a cannibal, or Zombie.

PPS May I visit you in the stir for stepping on that ant?

> Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> <mailto:edgarowen@...> wrote:
>
> Joe and Merle,
>
> Any valid ethical principle must apply equally well to both humans and other species....












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