Kris, Not completely sure what you mean in this post. I take it that you mean witnessing a murder is a powerful experience (It is/was). But whose attachment and to what?
Mike
Powerful experiences, powerful
attachments. Shattering into pieces, revealing this was never
lacking.
KG
On 10/10/2012 6:17 PM, mike brown wrote:
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>________________________________
> From: Kristopher Grey <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2012, 15:58
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>Compassion to me is when love meets
suffering. Clearly an unrepentant killer
(as opposed to someone who has killed)
fails the definition.
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>The kind of peace a killer might find
isn't the kind of peace I'm talking
about either, which is the peace born
from being free from the 5 Hindrances.
This isn't an assumpmtion/projection,
but is born from experience (I'm
ex-infantry and have seen murder
committed not 10 feet away from me).
Even thoughts of violence shatter this
peace.
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>Mike
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>To say a killer will never know peace? Part presumption, part projection.
>Emanating from a kind heart perhaps, but compassion doesn't bother with/isn't
>bothered by this.
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>KG
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>On 10/10/2012 6:57 AM, mike brown wrote:
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>>Edgar,
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>>We're all going to die - it's how we live our life up to that point (there is
>>no 'after' death, or indeed any such thing as 'death' to feel bad about being
>>killed anyway). Yes, I'd rather be killed than be the killer. A killer will
>>never know peace.
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>>>Get real!
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>>Keeping it real.
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>>Mike
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>>________________________________
>> From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]>
>>To: [email protected]
>>Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2012, 11:45
>>Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: I need some practice advice
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>>Mike,
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>>Total crap!
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>>OK, let's put it to the test. I'll send someone over to kill you and then
>>I'll feel bad about it.
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>>Will you opt out because of your life or me feeling bad about it?
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>>Get real!
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>>Edgar
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>>On Oct 10, 2012, at 5:34 AM, mike brown wrote:
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>>>Edgar,
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>>>>It matters
to the animals
which is much
more important
.....
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>>>I'm not so
sure. I think
it could be
said that a
person who
causes death,
or injury, to
another
actually
suffers more
than the
person/animal
harmed. But
then again,
I'm an old
school First
Noble Truth
kinda guy.
>>>
>>>Mike
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>>>________________________________
>>> From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]>
>>>To: [email protected]
>>>Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2012, 0:59
>>>Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: I need some practice advice
>>>
>>>
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>>>KG,
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>>>
>>>How egocentric!
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>>>
>>>It matters to the animals which is much more important .....
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>>>Edgar
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>>>On Oct 9, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Kristopher Grey wrote:
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>FWIW - 'I' am my "indoor pet" and, yes I am surgically sterilized.
>>>>
>>>>What people do
wth animals is
of less
concern than
the shit they
tell
themselves to
justify it.
Until that's
sorted out,
the rest is an
ego fest.
>>>>
>>>>KG
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>On 10/9/2012
11:40 AM, Joe
wrote:
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>>>>>Edgar,
>>>>>
>>>>>My indoor pets
are neutered.
Aren't yours?
>>>>>
>>>>>You may be an
animal-breeder,
then; a
lucrative
vocation/avocation.
>>>>>
>>>>>--Joe
>>>>>
>>>>>PS You must be
a vegetarian
then if you
are not a
cannibal, or
Zombie.
>>>>>
>>>>>PPS May I
visit you in
the stir for
stepping on
that ant?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Edgar
Owen <edgarowen@...>
wrote:
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>>>>>> Joe and
Merle,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any valid
ethical
principle must
apply equally
well to both
humans and
other
species....
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