Stream of consciousness is not Zen... Edgar
On Oct 11, 2012, at 6:30 AM, Kristopher Grey wrote: > > Not for me to say Mike. I mean nothing by it, it's just what came - and went. > > A reflection that peace cannot be shattered, only our window on it, set in > its rigid frame. Some windows are clear, some painted over. It can be more > surprising when apparent clarity breaks (as we see the paint and only see > through the glass). > > KG > > On 10/11/2012 6:21 AM, mike brown wrote: >> >> Kris, >> >> Not completely sure what you mean in this post. I take it that you mean >> witnessing a murder is a powerful experience (It is/was). But whose >> attachment and to what? >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> >> >> Powerful experiences, powerful attachments. Shattering into pieces, >> revealing this was never lacking. >> >> KG >> >> >> >> On 10/10/2012 6:17 PM, mike brown wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Kristopher Grey <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2012, 15:58 >>> >>> Compassion to me is when love meets suffering. Clearly an unrepentant >>> killer (as opposed to someone who has killed) fails the definition. >>> >>> The kind of peace a killer might find isn't the kind of peace I'm talking >>> about either, which is the peace born from being free from the 5 >>> Hindrances. This isn't an assumpmtion/projection, but is born from >>> experience (I'm ex-infantry and have seen murder committed not 10 feet away >>> from me). Even thoughts of violence shatter this peace. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> To say a killer will never know peace? Part presumption, part projection. >>> Emanating from a kind heart perhaps, but compassion doesn't bother >>> with/isn't bothered by this. >>> >>> KG >>> >>> >>> On 10/10/2012 6:57 AM, mike brown wrote: >>>> >>>> Edgar, >>>> >>>> We're all going to die - it's how we live our life up to that point (there >>>> is no 'after' death, or indeed any such thing as 'death' to feel bad about >>>> being killed anyway). Yes, I'd rather be killed than be the killer. A >>>> killer will never know peace. >>>> >>>> >Get real! >>>> >>>> Keeping it real. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2012, 11:45 >>>> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: I need some practice advice >>>> >>>> >>>> Mike, >>>> >>>> Total crap! >>>> >>>> OK, let's put it to the test. I'll send someone over to kill you and then >>>> I'll feel bad about it. >>>> >>>> Will you opt out because of your life or me feeling bad about it? >>>> >>>> Get real! >>>> >>>> Edgar >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 10, 2012, at 5:34 AM, mike brown wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Edgar, >>>>> >>>>> >It matters to the animals which is much more important ..... >>>>> >>>>> I'm not so sure. I think it could be said that a person who causes death, >>>>> or injury, to another actually suffers more than the person/animal >>>>> harmed. But then again, I'm an old school First Noble Truth kinda guy. >>>>> >>>>> Mike >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2012, 0:59 >>>>> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: I need some practice advice >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> KG, >>>>> >>>>> How egocentric! >>>>> >>>>> It matters to the animals which is much more important ..... >>>>> >>>>> Edgar >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Kristopher Grey wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> FWIW - 'I' am my "indoor pet" and, yes I am surgically sterilized. >>>>>> >>>>>> What people do wth animals is of less concern than the shit they tell >>>>>> themselves to justify it. Until that's sorted out, the rest is an ego >>>>>> fest. >>>>>> >>>>>> KG >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 10/9/2012 11:40 AM, Joe wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Edgar, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My indoor pets are neutered. Aren't yours? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You may be an animal-breeder, then; a lucrative vocation/avocation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --Joe >>>>>>> >>>>>>> PS You must be a vegetarian then if you are not a cannibal, or Zombie. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> PPS May I visit you in the stir for stepping on that ant? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Joe and Merle, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Any valid ethical principle must apply equally well to both humans >>>>>>> > and other species.... >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > >
