when you hear the "sound of the moonlight wailing" and the "feeling of sun 
flooding your heart"

  or as the old  saying goes "the sound of one hand clapping"

..you'll know 

 otherwise keep practising as joe always says.

practise practise and practise.

that is the best advice ever and it's so so so practical 

merle...let's pay  our respects to joe!


  
I need some practice advice. In my meditation, I have become aware of something 
I will call "mental-integration-itself" although those words are only an 
approximation. I will therefore report some background and details, below, to 
see if I can get this across. What I need is advice on whether or not 
mental-integration-itself is enough on the path that I should spend a lot of 
time noticing it. Also, of course, if anyone sees a way I can improve on the 
mental-integration-itself awareness I have so far, I would be grateful.

Both Dzogchen and Zen say that somehow, satori and samsara are the same. I have 
tried for years to understand what that would feel like. Here are a several 
examples from a vast number of comments:

Cleary, Thomas, trans. (2002) SECRETS OF THE BLUE CLIFF RECORD, ZEN COMMENTS BY 
HAKUIN AND TENKEI, Boston& London: Shambhala

Page 76, "If potential does not leave a static position, it falls into a sea of 
poison ...

"[Hakuin] The entirety of this introduction applies to the example. `Potential' 
is what appears before being expressed in words; the `static position' is the 
cave of satori...

"[Tenkei] If you realize an awakening but do not eliminate leaking of views, 
you stick to the absolute stasis of transcendence in the realm of satori, which 
is to `fall into a sea of poison' ... "

Rabjam, Longchen, Richard Barron, trans., Padma Translation Committee (2001) 
THE PRECIOUS TREASURY OF THE BASIC SPACE OF PHENOMENA, Junction City" Padma 
Publishing.

Page 7, "However things appear or sound, within the vast realm of  basic space 
they do not stray from the spontaneous equalness as dharmakaya, awakened mind...

Page 15, "On this infinite foundation, extending everywhere impartially, the 
stronghold of awakened mind does not distinguish between samsara and nirvana..."

Norbu, Chogyal Namkhui, Adriano Clemente, and Andrew Lukianowicz (1999) THE 
SUPREME SOURCE, THE KUNJED GYALPO, THE FUNDAMENTAL TANTRA OF DZOGCHEN SEMDE, 
Ithaca: Snow Lion Publications

Page 150, "I am the essence of all phenomena; nothing exists that is not my 
essence. The teachers of the three dimensions {I'm unclear about what 
"dimensions"  means here, Jim} are my essence. The Buddhas of the three times 
are my essence. The four types of yogins are my essence. The three worlds, of 
desire, of form, and without form, too, are my manifestations. The five great 
elements are my essence. The six classes of beings are my essence. All the 
habitats and the beings living therein are my essence. Nothing exists that is 
not my essence because I am the universal root: there is nothing that is not 
contained in me ..."

OK. Now when I am meditating while there is an image inside my head, I can see 
all parts of the image simultaneously because something in me is integrating 
the parts of the image in some way. If I try to see this 
mental-integration-itself, the mental-integration-itself is like transparent 
space yet active. I can barely detect this transparent and it doesn't look like 
any of the shapes or colors of the image. In a way, this transparent 
mental-integration-itself seems to be in front of the image. I then 
de-emphasize the image so it slips partly from awareness, while becoming more 
aware of the clear empty mental-integration-itself. 

Intellectually, the mental-integration itself which I experience isn't any of 
the shapes or colors, yet it connects all the shapes and colors together. So it 
has a little bit of form, from the connecting, plus it is empty. Does the fact 
that it looks like it fits Buddhist definitions mean that what I am 
experiencing actually does fit those definitions? Therefore, would it be right 
to continue to become aware of the mental-integration-itself with all kinds of 
perceptions, experiences, and situations?

So that I what I need some advice on.

Jim


 

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