Merle, I am 'listening' (reading actually), but there's nothing in this post for me to learn, nothing new anyway. I already am aware of how much Edgar and I disagree on zen - and I knew that already.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > >  yes bill!..edgar is back.. > edgar is on the cutting edge..are you listening?... and need i say > learning?..merle > > >  > Suresh, > > Attachment is a very valuable evolutionary survival mechanism. It's a > fundamental part of human nature similar to what we share with other species. > With no attachments individual humans would have no motivation or direction > and would not survive. > > The problem is not attachments per se. We all use attachments every day to go > about our lives successfully. That's what enables people to sustain material > success in life. The problem is excessive attachment, or attachment to your > attachments. The problem is excessive attachments THAT DO NOT MESH WITH WHAT > IS REAL or attainable. > > For example a man's attachment to THE IDEA OF an unattainable woman, or an > unattainable position in society. Attachment to the unattainable causes > suffering. > > However attachment to the ATTAINABLE maintains physical and social life. > > However things can change. When one loses something one was attached to > realization demands changing one's attachment to it to mirror the new state > of reality. > > Zen is not as simple as many imagine! > > Edgar > > > > > On Oct 20, 2012, at 1:38 AM, SURESH JAGADEESAN wrote: > >  > > > > > >Bill > >Why do human liked to get attached? > >What is the root cause for attachment? > >Suresh > >On Oct 20, 2012 8:38 AM, "Merle Lester" <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > > This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! (merlewiitpom@...) Add > > cleanup rule | More info > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> so how does one NOT be attached to these emotions eh?..merle > >> > >>Merle, > >> > >>No, these in-and-of themselves are not attachments. They are concepts > >>(mental models), and in some case emotions - and it is not these that cause > >>suffering. It is ATTACHMENTS to these that cause suffering. > >> > >>...Bill! > >> > >>--- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> àthanks..are they attachments?... merle > >>> Merle, > >>> > >>> > >>> Love is not exactly the OPPOSITE of hate, but love/hate is a dualistic > >>> pair - like good/bad, tall/short, hot/cold, yin/yang, etc... > >>> > >>> ...Bill! > >>> > >>> --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Ãâàtell me more BILLLL....... Love is it the opposite of > >>> > hate????? merle > >>> > Ãâà> >>> > I agree with James. > >>> > > >>> > As with all emotions like fear, anger, love, hate it is not the emotion > >>> > that is the real problem, it is the ATTACHMENT to the emotion. > >>> > > >>> > ...Bill! > >>> > > >>> > --- In [email protected], "James W. Meritt" <JWMeritt@> wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Not so sure getting rid of fear is a good thing. I see having fear, > >>> > > but modifying how you use and react to it as a good thing. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > James W. Meritt > >>> > > CISSP, CISA, NSA IAM, PMP > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
